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“Now we really, really don’t want to mark r/pics as being NSFW,” reads the post. “Doing so would mean that we were no longer discoverable, that we would no longer show up in Reddit’s main feeds, and that millions of people would be deprived of John Oliver’s presence on their screens. It would also have the effect of keeping Reddit from showing advertisements alongside our posts, which we feel would be unfair.”
The wording of this post is key, as Reddit has reportedly stepped in previously to remove mods for marking their communities NSFW as a form of protest. “r/pics will not be made NSFW as a form of protest,” reads the post in r/pics. “Any such change will be enacted in order to comply with Reddit’s policies. If Reddit were to remove moderators from r/pics, that action would go against their own publicly affirmed guidelines.”
I have to say, this is actually hilarious. Sure, the admins will step in and switch them with someone else. But the current mods are doing this in the most hypocritically innocent way possible. Acting stupid and being a nuisance is the best way to get under someone’s skin.
They wanted malicious compliance they got malicious compliance.
The beauty of this is the pendatic fixation on the definition of profanity. Sure, no one is going to think OMG is profanity but it means the definition.
Looks like they had to respond again
https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/14rn8zd/the_rpics_moderators_cant_respond_to_reddit/
/u/ModCodeofConduct,
Thank you for your recent message.
We appreciate your concerns regarding /r/PICS being marked as NSFW, and we hope that you will be reassured by our response. In short, the shift in question was not a sudden change, nor is there any risk of users being confused… and most important of all, an abrupt reversion would itself constitute a violation of the site-wide rules that you cited.
On June 16th, 2023, /r/PICS (then /r/Pics) asked its subscribers to vote on the state of the subreddit, and they overwhelmingly decided to feature only “images of John Oliver looking sexy.” On June 20th, 2023, a second poll was held, and it was determined that “any and all media featuring John Oliver” would be allowed. This also precipitated a change in the subreddit’s name from “/r/Pics” to “/r/PICS,” with the latter being an acronym for “Posts Illuminating Comedian’s Sexiness.”
As we moderated /r/PICS, however, we discovered that large amounts of profanity and offensive content – both of which are listed as NSFW by Reddit’s policies – were present in non-NSFW threads. This was problematic, as users expecting work-safe experiences were very likely to encounter non-work-safe material. Rather than abruptly alter our rules without first consulting the community (which would have confused users), we asked on June 26th, 2023 for subscribers to refrain from offering any NSFW content in non-NSFW threads.
We also requested a response from Reddit on that same date.
By July 3rd, 2023, the amount of profanity and offensive content in /r/PICS had not declined, and Reddit had not responded to us. It was publicly announced that we had no choice but to mark the subreddit as being NSFW, so as to adhere to Reddit’s own mandates. It was also made clear that our longstanding rules – rules which should have seen /r/Pics (in any form) being a NSFW community from the get-go – would be unchanged; that neither gore nor pornography would be allowed, but that tasteful nudity, profanity, and “offensive” content would continue to be acceptable. To reiterate, while we do celebrate a British comedian’s undeniable allure, we do not allow anything sexually explicit to be posted.
Our surfaced resources – our sidebar, our rules, our wiki, and our announcements – make all of this exceptionally clear, but since Reddit provides no method by which users can be required to read said resources before participating, the visible marking of /r/PICS as NSFW is vital to establishing reasonable expectations. Furthermore, as Reddit assures its partners that their advertisements will not run alongside profanity or offensive content, the aforementioned marking is also in said partners’ best interests. That same assurance indicates that moderators “set their own standards for conduct and ‘appropriate’ content,” indicating that /r/PICS is solely responsible for determining what is and is not offensive (and policing accordingly). A failure on our part to appropriately list /r/PICS as NSFW would therefore run counter to what advertisers have been told.
We do understand that the shift may have caused some minor issues for Reddit, however, and as we have no desire to harm the platform, we are more than willing to discuss the situation with you. Please respond to our previous request for communication, and we will look forward to exploring productive paths forward. In the meantime, to ensure that /r/PICS is adhering to all of Reddit’s guidelines and requests, we would be happy to revert the NSFW setting, restrict posting, and remove any and all content that could be considered “offensive” by anyone. If this compromise does not meet with your approval, please offer a publicly visible comment in response to our open letter. We understand that you are likely very busy, so we will wait until Friday, July 7th before taking any additional steps.
and remove any and all content that could be considered “offensive” by anyone
This is a thing of beauty! An absolutely perfect phrase. Congratulations to whoever coined it.
Now that is how you drop an office politics nuke.
Five gets you ten that Reddit will purge the moderators, get lackeys into the mod positions, do a content prune to get rid of NSFW-ish posts and comments, then try to bring it back as “business as usual”.
Reddit has already demonstrated that they have no problem breaking their own rules.
r/interestingasfuck is still unmoderated and it doesn’t look like that’s gonna change any time soon. I doubt they have anyone to take over that many subs
Wait, doesn’t reddit remove subs that are considered unmoderated?
Yes, but Reddit has been using the term to mean whatever they want to remove moderators from protesting subs.
This is brilliant! I can’t bring myself to go back, even to visit, as I only use mobile and refuse to use that shitty app. But it’s great to hear people are fighting back.
If I hadn’t deleted myself off the site, I’d go and write the worst, most cringy, NSFW worthy John Oliver fanfiction that my brain could produce.
The one shame of leaving entirely is I can’t do that and won’t go back on my principles.
Feel free to write and post here. Some of us would still be interested in reading it. At least while we wait out beanpocalypse
No swearing in /pics or they have to mark it nsfw.
Ah, no, swearing is allowed as long as it’s vulgarity, profanity is what requires an NSFW tag. It’s a very important distinction that the Reddit ToS accidentally makes.
So, in conclusion: Fuck -> No NSFW tag. Hell -> Yes NSFW tag.
So can’t reddit just change the wording of the ToS?
I mean, they can but it takes time to do that and until they do /r/pics is adhering to the letter of the law (or at least an interpretation of it) while spitting in the face of the spirit of the law.
I’m not sure why everyone thinks the lawyers would get involved. It doesn’t matter what the guidelines technically say. Reddit has already proven to be extremely untrustworthy regarding their mod policy. If the admins want the mods out, the mods will simply be out.
But it sets a nice precedent/roadmap for the people still there even after the new mods (who have pledged fealty to the king) are installed. Countless people will do this until they get banned, hurting Reddit where it counts.
Fuck that