• Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de
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    which is something denmark already does and it basically has no effect, and that’s why the comission recommended against doing this.

    But when has expert opinion and prior evidence ever mattered to the neonazi party?

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      “Something has to be done, this is something so it has to be done” - SD, probably

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    Do those people know what immigrants pay and go through to even reach European soil?

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        I know it’s equivalent is way more than the amount offered to go back.

        If you literally rushed your life to leave where you lived before, that sum is peanuts in comparison

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          I was more thinking about a comparable monetary sum since it seems to be what you were critiquing.

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            Oh well that’s not very regulated. Migrants get squeezed for every penny the have. They can pay up to 4000 dollars (in their local currency and earning level) but they have to dodge corrupt offcials, prostitution, extortion and ofc live threatening conditions.

            This article goes into more detail:

            https://qz.com/africa/1341221/the-harrowing-step-by-step-story-of-a-migrants-journey-to-europe

            34.000 is a lot of money in comparison, but if you go through what they went through you probably don’t want to get back.

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              So they’re well compensated, so what’s the problem you mean? They aren’t forced to accept it…

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                they have to dodge corrupt offcials, prostitution, extortion and ofc live threatening conditions.

                So they’re well compensated

                Interesting take.

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                  Heartwrenching stuff you got there, only it’s not what we’re discussing…

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      This money is used to push people towards the choice of leaving friends and a (semi-)stable environment to go back to a country that is likely war-torn or famine-ridden.

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        So, who’s supposed to rebuild those countries? The poorest left behind?

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          Right, the well-endowed deportees will, against all odds, rebuild entire countries rather than just being thrown under the bus again because of scarcely veiled racism. That makes those deportations practically charity. /s

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      They say the same about Germany but my actual problems have nothing to do with some poor fuckers not wanting to be bombed or jailed & tortured. These problems include an underfunded education system, decades old and fucked up infrastructure, lack of digitalization, a collapsing pension system, an overwhelmed public health system, climate change, and much more.

      The whole migration trope appeared out of nowhere again like a year ago, just before the genocide in Gaza started dominating all news. My biggest problem at that time was that the fucking bus is not coming and that it takes forever to get a doctor’s appointment and by now I’m pretty sure that all of this migration panic is some Russian psy-ops.

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        Yea literally none of that applies. They Have great programs for teaching and integrating people but the cultural differences are just too far apart. A large percent of the immigrants refuse to accept Swedish values and culture.

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          I don’t understand what you mean with „none of that applies“.

          Regarding the culture blabla that’s the exact same narrative that we heard about the Russian-Germans and Yugoslavian in the 90s, about the Spanish, Turkish, Italian, Polish people in the 60s and literally German refugees after WW2.

          Just because you keep repeating it it won’t become true.

          Edit: you seem to be in the US? Wtf do you know about the situation in Sweden or Germany? You say you have family and go there every year. Good for you but if you’d actually live here you’d know the situation isn‘t like Fox News tells you or whatever hillbilly news you consume.

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          In Malmö the grenades are frequently old weapons from the wars in the Balkans. The police assume that someone imported a large cache of grenades, which has then been distributed to criminal gangs.[16][3] In addition to grenade attacks, there are a significant number of related bomb attacks with improvised explosive devices, including homemade bombs.[17][18] The number of incidents involving explosives tripled between 2008 and 2016.[19] According to a December 2018 Swedish Television interview with researcher Amir Rostami, Sweden has a high number of hand grenade attacks compared to neighbouring countries Denmark, Norway, and Germany. According to the Swedish police the reason may be the light sentence for possession compared to a firearm and that the evidence destroys itself when used. [20] While gun homicides were on the rise in the 2011–2018 time span, according to a study at Malmö University, the number of hand grenade attacks had shown a strong increase in the same period and a total of 116 hand grenade detonations were recorded. Rostami said criminologists in Sweden don’t know why there was a strong increase and why Sweden has a much higher rate than countries close by. [15] Statistics are hard to come by as the only country apart from Sweden that publishes statistics is Mexico

          The hand grenades found by the police are exclusively the ex-Yugoslavian M75 hand grenade.

          I remember seeing videos Finnish motorcycle gangs (very white, very Nazis) figthing with heavy arms in the woods sometimes. I remember in the movie “Lord of War” they said it was cheaper to buy real guns than fake ones for staging scenes of hangars full of guns after the downfall of the Sovjet Union, that made their hands into criminal trade. So if some dipshits smuggled in a few thousand grenades and distributed them, that explains why they are used so heavily compared to all other countries.

          Also when looking at how heavily armed Finnish Nazi gangs are and how easy it was for Breivik in Norway to get the weapons for his massacres, it seems to simply be easier to get heavy weapons in Scandinavia than in other places. And Sweden being twice as populated than Finland or Norway results in more crime with that too.

          Looking at the homicide rate, Sweden seems to be about the same like Finland and still much better than the Baltic states and on par with France and the UK.

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          Sounds fucked ngl but is that some organized crime related thing? At least that’s what it says in the article.

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            Yes. It’s an organized crime. Pretty much anything violent that happens here is because of gangs.