it’s wild to me how liberals seem to be incapable of considering what kind of person would flee a proletarian revolution.
So often when I’ve heard of immigrants who left an AES country, it’s because they were fundamentally against the point of the revolutions. I.E. members of the bourgeois class, members of the dominant colonialist ethnicity, etc.
They’ll be like “My grandfather fled Cuba because the Revolutionaries threatened his life ;-;”, then you look at their ancestry and see multiple direct lines to Spanish nobility and lots of wealth.
Or “My grandfather left China because the Communists were repressive”, then you research their grandfather and find that he was a soldier in the Nationalist army for the entire duration of both the Civil War and the war with Japan, and only left once the Nationalists were pushed out of the mainland. Meaning the man would’ve been convinced to his core that Communism was evil, and no amount of convincing would break the guy of that idea.
Or “Stalinists took my grandfather’s family farm and tried to lock him up”, but they’re Ukrainians from the middle class in the 1930s. They probably hoarded grain during the famine, then fled when consequences came to their entitled asses.
basically
Liberalism convinces workers that they hold the very class position that proletarian revolutions (rightfully) oppress.
fr, right now there is a lot of paranoia in Mexico cuz of judeoboldshevik president and the idle petty bourgeois are the ones eager to migrate to the US.
Have fun americans!
I worked with a westerner who spent like a decade or two living in China and she spouts all the usual BS that all of the western media spouts. I later found out she’s married to a Tibetan separatist exile…it suddenly made more sense.
That would require a lib to consider and conceptually grasp what a proletarian revolution means in the first place.
One of my coworkers fled Vietnam as a 9yo because his uncle was a policeman before the war. Prior to fleeing, so much food was taken from their family farm that he was eating rats, cats, and insects to avoid starvation. The production requirements imposed on their farm left nothing for them to survive on.
I am not saying this is an inherent flaw of communism, but rather giving an example where a specific implementation was flawed to the point where someone thought they had a better chance of surviving fleeing.
You’ve had comments removed before for fascist apologia and hate speech. That’s not what you’ve done here, but let’s get this straight.
The Vietnamese wars started in 1946 against the French Colonialist government, and American involvement began in 1955 with their illegal invasion beginning in 1965. That uncle, regardless of where he’s placed in time, would’ve been a Colonial policeman. I.E. A supporter of the French government and opposed Ho Chi Minh’s revolution. It would not, therefore, be unlikely for the rest of his family to be of the same opinion. If they got harsh treatment - and I don’t believe they did without evidence - it would likely have been on the basis of their counter-revolutionary nature.
Many immigrants from “enemy” nations will feel compelled to lie about conditions in their home countries, in an effort to be accepted by our white supremacist culture. And that one reads exactly like the kind of stuff someone in that position would say.
Weird that the logic is never to ask what the overwhelming majority of people who stayed in Cuba/ China think of their government
The America refugee who lives down the street told me that in in authoritarian USA, they have draconian age of consent laws.
Clearly, the opinion polls were all tampered with to look positive, or if they weren’t tampered with then the respondents answered positively because they feared punishment, or if they didn’t fear punishment then it’s because the state schools and propaganda brainwashed them.
As one anticommunist intellectual solemnly said:
Bolshevism could maintain its social illusion only because its deceived population lacked any opportunity for comparison. When one has lived for 25 years in a dark cellar a kerosene lamp looks like the sun, and for those who were citizens for twenty‐five years of the so‐called Soviet Union, the most dreadful hovel seemed a palace and a piece of bread the food of the gods, since he heard every day that those in non‐Bolshevist countries did not get anything to eat at all. Moscow was a world to itself.
I joined r/cuba once and holy shit, those people do not stop shitting all over the ñplace.
‘Hey, where do you think I can good rice and beans in Havana’
‘Unfortunately, the cuban government has prohibited the consumption of food and you cannot find bean in Havana, I recommend you do not step foot in Cuba ever and if you do please tape your butthole shut and do not let the communism in’
my grandpa’s slaves cried as the evil communists led him away for no reason
The few Chinese immigrants I’ve met can either be really anti-communist or just apolitical. Some move because of “repression”, some moved because they were fooled like a lot of other immigrants that the “streets are paved with gold” or in other words basically a guarantee of success.
My in-laws are not really political at all. It’s funny because whenever I discuss politics with them, I can bring up my dirty commie ideals and they don’t really bat an eye at it. Other families I can think of in my dating history? Good lord; I’d be skinned.
I’ve largely interacted with students and can say that my experience is the reverse. They have been either apolitical or quite pro-communism/pro-China.
As an immigrant I can tell you for a fact that a lot of immigrants tell stories of repression to get into the good graces of Westerners. I have heard people say shit that was absolutely untrue. I am not Chinese or Cuban, but I have heard it from others.
Yep. Many westerners already manage to be racists without having an excuse. An immigrant with views considered anti-west is going to be ostracized if they are lucky.
In bad country immigrants have to lie that they were oppressed by the regime enemies to be accepted.
I swear, I’ve never met someone of Chinese descent in the US (citizen or not) who ever even opines about communism the way Cubans do.
