it’s wild to me how liberals seem to be incapable of considering what kind of person would flee a proletarian revolution.
So often when I’ve heard of immigrants who left an AES country, it’s because they were fundamentally against the point of the revolutions. I.E. members of the bourgeois class, members of the dominant colonialist ethnicity, etc.
They’ll be like “My grandfather fled Cuba because the Revolutionaries threatened his life ;-;”, then you look at their ancestry and see multiple direct lines to Spanish nobility and lots of wealth.
Or “My grandfather left China because the Communists were repressive”, then you research their grandfather and find that he was a soldier in the Nationalist army for the entire duration of both the Civil War and the war with Japan, and only left once the Nationalists were pushed out of the mainland. Meaning the man would’ve been convinced to his core that Communism was evil, and no amount of convincing would break the guy of that idea.
Or “Stalinists took my grandfather’s family farm and tried to lock him up”, but they’re Ukrainians from the middle class in the 1930s. They probably hoarded grain during the famine, then fled when consequences came to their entitled asses.
fr, right now there is a lot of paranoia in Mexico cuz of judeoboldshevik president and the idle petty bourgeois are the ones eager to migrate to the US.
I worked with a westerner who spent like a decade or two living in China and she spouts all the usual BS that all of the western media spouts. I later found out she’s married to a Tibetan separatist exile…it suddenly made more sense.
One of my coworkers fled Vietnam as a 9yo because his uncle was a policeman before the war. Prior to fleeing, so much food was taken from their family farm that he was eating rats, cats, and insects to avoid starvation. The production requirements imposed on their farm left nothing for them to survive on.
I am not saying this is an inherent flaw of communism, but rather giving an example where a specific implementation was flawed to the point where someone thought they had a better chance of surviving fleeing.
You’ve had comments removed before for fascist apologia and hate speech. That’s not what you’ve done here, but let’s get this straight.
The Vietnamese wars started in 1946 against the French Colonialist government, and American involvement began in 1955 with their illegal invasion beginning in 1965. That uncle, regardless of where he’s placed in time, would’ve been a Colonial policeman. I.E. A supporter of the French government and opposed Ho Chi Minh’s revolution. It would not, therefore, be unlikely for the rest of his family to be of the same opinion. If they got harsh treatment - and I don’t believe they did without evidence - it would likely have been on the basis of their counter-revolutionary nature.
Many immigrants from “enemy” nations will feel compelled to lie about conditions in their home countries, in an effort to be accepted by our white supremacist culture. And that one reads exactly like the kind of stuff someone in that position would say.
it’s wild to me how liberals seem to be incapable of considering what kind of person would flee a proletarian revolution.
So often when I’ve heard of immigrants who left an AES country, it’s because they were fundamentally against the point of the revolutions. I.E. members of the bourgeois class, members of the dominant colonialist ethnicity, etc.
They’ll be like “My grandfather fled Cuba because the Revolutionaries threatened his life ;-;”, then you look at their ancestry and see multiple direct lines to Spanish nobility and lots of wealth.
Or “My grandfather left China because the Communists were repressive”, then you research their grandfather and find that he was a soldier in the Nationalist army for the entire duration of both the Civil War and the war with Japan, and only left once the Nationalists were pushed out of the mainland. Meaning the man would’ve been convinced to his core that Communism was evil, and no amount of convincing would break the guy of that idea.
Or “Stalinists took my grandfather’s family farm and tried to lock him up”, but they’re Ukrainians from the middle class in the 1930s. They probably hoarded grain during the famine, then fled when consequences came to their entitled asses.
basically
Liberalism convinces workers that they hold the very class position that proletarian revolutions (rightfully) oppress.
fr, right now there is a lot of paranoia in Mexico cuz of judeoboldshevik president and the idle petty bourgeois are the ones eager to migrate to the US.
Have fun americans!
I worked with a westerner who spent like a decade or two living in China and she spouts all the usual BS that all of the western media spouts. I later found out she’s married to a Tibetan separatist exile…it suddenly made more sense.
That would require a lib to consider and conceptually grasp what a proletarian revolution means in the first place.
One of my coworkers fled Vietnam as a 9yo because his uncle was a policeman before the war. Prior to fleeing, so much food was taken from their family farm that he was eating rats, cats, and insects to avoid starvation. The production requirements imposed on their farm left nothing for them to survive on.
I am not saying this is an inherent flaw of communism, but rather giving an example where a specific implementation was flawed to the point where someone thought they had a better chance of surviving fleeing.
You’ve had comments removed before for fascist apologia and hate speech. That’s not what you’ve done here, but let’s get this straight.
The Vietnamese wars started in 1946 against the French Colonialist government, and American involvement began in 1955 with their illegal invasion beginning in 1965. That uncle, regardless of where he’s placed in time, would’ve been a Colonial policeman. I.E. A supporter of the French government and opposed Ho Chi Minh’s revolution. It would not, therefore, be unlikely for the rest of his family to be of the same opinion. If they got harsh treatment - and I don’t believe they did without evidence - it would likely have been on the basis of their counter-revolutionary nature.
Many immigrants from “enemy” nations will feel compelled to lie about conditions in their home countries, in an effort to be accepted by our white supremacist culture. And that one reads exactly like the kind of stuff someone in that position would say.