Wow, The comments here are an absolute shitshow.
Be as upset as you want with Obama or Biden. But remember, neither of them are on the table for this next election cycle.
Fortunately their hand-picked successor is on the ballot!
You Lemmy.ml people asked Biden to step down because he’s old. What did you expect? He stepped down because he’s old just like you wanted, and even endorsed a candidate who doesn’t have any dementia at all. Who did you expect him to endorse, Mao’s zombie?
I’m somewhat baffled by him stepping down from running, but remaining president for the entire year. It seems like whoever is running for president, Kamala should have already taken over. It also feels weird having her just get inserted at the end of the process like that’s a normal thing, but I can’t really complain as I voted no preference anyways.
Your “baffling” has nothing to do with Biden and everything to do with you…
He stepped down because he saw that America took his gaffes at the debate more seriously than he thought they should, not because he feels he’s not up to the job. Honestly, our way of selecting Presidents sucks. An objective look at this admin versus the last admin would make that decision easy – Biden has set himself up for success by hiring competent underlings rather than yes-men, and he managed to reverse killer inflation and handle a global pandemic, while fighting against one tyrant. He’s not perfect. Nobody is. He is open to criticism over his handling of Palestine and Israel and we sure can criticise his unwillingness to hold Netanyahu as accountable as he wants to handle Putin. But the other guy set up Biden for the last 4 years of bullshit with his utter mismanagement of the country, and plans on making things ten times worse. Biden looked at the polling, at the bullshit settling down on his administration and on him personally, and said he’d step back so Harris could run.
As for why Harris got the nod? There was less than a month until the General Election, virtually all of the Primaries had already been had, and despite all the bullshit being peddled about him, he won the Primary. Harris was on his ticket. They wanted to transition easily into the General without a bajillion crazy little questions about the Biden/Harris campaign, its warchest, and avoid a bloodbath between various Democratic Party factions all screaming for their guy/gal just in time for Trump to trounce the weakened candidate in the general, they leveraged the same process that would have happened had that nutbar that shot at Trump taken a shot at Biden and didn’t miss – the VP becomes POTUS. And this allows Harris to not have to jump through hoops for ballot access nor start from scratch with campaign finances, which unfortunately are STILL important for getting into the White House.
Sadly, the bullshit shifted to Harris and we’re back where we were before. Does the hard-left WANT Trump in office, because it sure fucking looks like they do.
Removed by mod
Biden is the Incumbent, and we took a huge risk, that may well not pay off, swapping him out in mid-race.
Harris is the Vice President. She is the logical successor, by way of our own constitution, to take over if Biden is incapacitated.
Democrats have a long history of tearing each other down when they don’t get what they want. Hard-Leftists screamed bloody murder for getting Biden removed. He thought he was up for it (and still does, he did an interview on that recently!), but bowed to increasing calls when it became clear he didn’t have the backing of the Dems after the debate performance.
Do you blame the hard left when you shit your pants?
What the fuck is wrong with you. Regardless, I’m reporting this violation of Rule 3. @[email protected] , is this acceptable to you?
Ironic right after the whole discussion from Tee9000 about hatred. Goes to show that that hatred isn’t exclusive to Team Pepe.
Nope, or to the other mod who removed it.
Ironic right after the whole discussion from Tee9000 about hatred. Goes to show that that hatred isn’t exclusive to Team Pepe.
One comment about how you’re throwing blame about without introspecting and you pitch a fit about civility. Sorry I didn’t tone police myself to your satisfaction.
Drag thinks he’s still got the same legislation skills as always, it’s just the campaigning skills that went because his speech disorder from childhood came back. So they picked someone without dementia to do the campaigning, and he’ll be out of office before the dementia hits his prefrontal cortex like it has with Trump. It’s a sensible decision.
You seem to have a better window inside Biden than I do
I mean, downvote all you want but they’re right. No one picked Harris except for Joe Biden. The primary was half assed at best, and there was no democratic process to select the Democratic party nominee. You’re insane if you don’t think that Biden’s dementia wouldn’t have surface during an actual primary process. We could have easily avoided this Trump apocalypse if the Democratic establishment let us have a real primary.
(pssst, the downvotes mean the community largely disagrees with you. If we were discussing anything lighter than politics you could just scoff and disagree and claim someone is correct, but that doesn’t stand up to the scrutiny of the people you share the world with. Sorry to tell you, you’re wrong and your childish political stance and the subsequent tantrum your ilk throws when called out on it isn’t helping you gain comrades or appear to be any less lost in the sauce. Get better.)
They’re not and you’re lying.
The dnc occurred, the reps voted en masse for Kamala.
The reps were nominated by the same process that has happened for over a century. The timeline was different but the process still occurred and you’re lying about it.
The reps that voted for Kamala were nominated in the same fashion as every US election you’ve ever been alive for. It was a televised event where everyone in the party voted and agreed. Stop this bullshit.
Can you help me find kamala on my primary ballot from this year? ( I voted no preference)
Kamala Harris is Joe Biden’s running mate.
Were Biden to have been incapacitated, Kamala Harris would step in for him. We made this choice back in November 2020, and it’ll hold true until January 2025.
Do you expect the Dems to have a contested Primary with less than one month to go until the General? How nice. Everyone will be tearing themselves apart in order to appeal to the various different factions that make up the Democratic Party, weakening each other until the final canidate emerges with a depleted warchest and a whole bunch of bitter people whose favoured candidate DIDN’T win? And assuming Harris, the VP and assumed successor for Biden, doesn’t win this contested primary, has to return the warchest Biden built up?
And Trump will be waiting in the wings, with a building warchest and backers setting up GOTV. Again. Does the far-left WANT Trump to win, because man, that’s what it looks like to me!
Kamala Harris is Joe Biden’s running mate.
Yes I know.
Hand picked successor. Why is everyone so mad that I’m calling it what it is?
Because your phrasing is disingenuous. You imply nefariousness where none exists. He ran thinking he was the best choice, until he flubbed the debate, and … get this…he got the majority of delegates. 14 million people voted for him. And he won the Primary. Are you saying you and your ilk are more important than the 14.5 million people who cast their ballots for him (you couldn’t manage 2 million votes between your three alternatives to Biden…), and the 3.9k delegates he won? That their expressions of preference should be thrown out so you can have a bruising 4 week primary in August while Trump just uses your various attacks against each of the candidates and racks up hundreds of millions of campaign contributions that he doesn’t have to spend until September? And at best, we just use up Biden’s campaign warchest trying to fend your candidates off, and at worst, we have to start over with some relative unknown with a depleted warchest, and no access to the Biden/Harris warchest? And go through the whole rigamarole of qualifying for state ballots so close to election day? Not to mention the extra costs of running a second set of primaries because you couldn’t accept the fact that you lost?
We had a primary. Biden won that primary. There’s no nefarious plan to install Harris. And the only reason that Harris has to run at all is because you lot showed up here and shat all over Biden over and over and over and over and *four hours later * over again. You lot being sore loser hard-leftists, Greenies pissed that they don’t have more of a say in government, paid actors and disinformation peddlers hired by Republicans and Russians to fragment the Left coalition like has happened time and time again (stupid ‘fall in love’ party), and of course those same Russians and Republicans who directly inject BS into our political discussion. And just to be clear, I’m not speculating on which you are, just pointing out that’s what your coalition is, and that’s why we’re here where we are right now.
Good for you! Pointing out inconsistencies as if they were national truths!
You almost look like you’re pointing out a conspiracy BUT oh I’m so sorry, there is none!
Point to the dnc! Not a png!
Edit: to mention you didn’t vote you just now complained in a way to convince others to not vote. Thats scummy.
Edit: to mention you didn’t vote you just now complained in a way to convince others to not vote. Thats scummy.
What? I voted
Good for you! Pointing out inconsistencies as if they were national truths!
Kamala is Bidens hand-picked successor. How is that untrue?
Simple she was nominated by the DNC. She was not coronated and Biden didn’t step out and say “Kamala” magically creating the bullshit you describe.
Votes were cast by a variety of reps nominated by the same process that has existed throughout your whole lifetime.
What part of that confounds your brain?
It’s the same thing that brought on the first Trump presidency! The DNC tells you who you will vote for and you will like it!!
DNC supporters have Stockholm syndrome!
Man I’d hate to jump to conclusions but that’s a lot of divisive comments from a 24 day old account.
It’s especially dumb because democratic primary votes overwhelmingly chose Clinton. It was never really a race at all, pretty much from start to finish she crushed Sanders. So this idea that the dnc picked her and everyone was forced to vote for her is just hogwash.
I could quibble about Clinton overwhelmingly defeating Sanders, but I really don’t have to. The actual numbers were 55.2% Hillary Clinton, 43.1% Bernie Sanders. Clinton won a straight majority of votes – not a plurality, a majority. And I say this as a Bernie Sanders voter who caucused (not voted in a primary, caucused, as in went to a school and stood in a classroom to be counted) for Bernie Sanders. Sanders came in second place because more Democratic Primary voters picked Clinton than Sanders. It wasn’t stolen. Clinton won that fair and square. Contrary to all the various little voices that crept out of the woodwork, and I say this, again, as a voter who caucused for Sanders, more Americans wanted a moderate candidate than risk a Progressive that could honestly be tarred as a Socialist.
That said, I would have LOVED to see Crony Capitalism vs. Euro-Socialism as an election in the USA. Too bad, it was Fascism vs. Crony Capitalism…
Welcome to Lemmy! How has your first few weeks been?
Finally some terms I can understand
Remember when this guy drank the water at Flint, too bad you can’t drone strike lead pipes
I remember that your comments always focus on criticizing Democrats and Democrats alone.
What do you mean? I just don’t comment on Republicans because threats of violence get removed
Also there was more aggressive pro-democrat posters, so it usually escalates when I do stuff like pointing out that Obama is a warmonger just like every other US politician.
I also remember when he swam in the Gulf, after the BP disaster.
Sounds like you understand that one side is worse than the other. Now act like it.
I don’t think you understand the nature of my critique. Republicans suck ass, and it enrages me that democrats will only pretend to oppose wars when it’s Republicans in power
Must not have a very good grasp of your opinions if you can’t talk about the opposition without threats of violence. Or you’re not playing in good faith and just trying to rile up people by pointing out the warmongering nature of the US instead of having a real point.
I talk about Democrats all the time without threats of violence, what are you talking about?
What do you mean? I just don’t comment on Republicans because threats of violence get removed
Must not have a very good grasp of your opinions if you can’t talk about the opposition without threats of violence.
I talk about Democrats all the time without threats of violence, what are you talking about?
I love it when people accidentally tell on themselves.
Yes, I’m an anarchist, I’m opposed to democrats. You figured it out lmao
An anarchist who can only talk intelligently against Democrats and only speaks in ‘threats of violence’ to republicans, meaning you can’t talk about them and only attack democrats and sees the Democrats as opposition and not republicans.
Seems legit.
Edit: just saw you’re on .ml, so yeah, you’re ‘an anarchist’ and hate democrats, no wonder you can’t speak against republicans LOL.
Removed by mod
Poke the bear, get bit
why wont the black men?
The majority of white women always vote Republican and that’s just fine. 12% of Black men lean Republican and we get article after article about what’s wrong with us.
The majority of white women always vote Republican
Not sure when that was true but it is not true now
You’re kidding, right? LMAO
White women are not a swing voting bloc. In the past 18 presidential elections, they have repeatedly voted for the Republican candidate, breaking only for Lyndon B. Johnson and for Bill Clinton’s second term. As political scientist Jane Junn wrote in 2016, “The elephant in the room is white and female, and she has been standing there since 1952.”
Downvoting me for being correct gets tiresome. But this is precisely how racist this country is. Even if there has been some small shift towards Dems, ya’ll would be way better off figuring out how to convert your sisters rather than worrying about a tiny number of Black Republicans.
White Democrats just prefer to blame us, like you always do. ✌🏾
I downvoted you and it’s because blanket statements are ignorant. And your entire point is basically “some equals all!”
What group of well known people also do this to support their argument?
Do you have a source? That’s an opinion without a single source for their claims.
When I look for sources, they all dispute your claim.
A study about this topic: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/
Example from the exit polls 2016: https://www.statista.com/statistics/631224/voter-turnout-of-the-exit-polls-of-the-2016-elections-by-gender/
Here’s a times article disputing your claim:
I don’t think you actually read those articles
According to a later analysis that experts consider more reliable, a study published in August by the Pew Research Center, the percentage of white women who voted for Trump was actually 47%, compared to 45% for Clinton. That’s still a plurality, and still makes white women more Trump-positive than the overall electorate
I read those, and they made me confident enough to refute this statement:
The majority of white women always vote Republican and that’s just fine. 12% of Black men lean Republican and we get article after article about what’s wrong with us.
I picked the most extreme case in his favour on purpose, quite the opposite of you that picked the worst of my three sources for my case…
2020 shows a very different picture.
https://www.msnbc.com/know-your-value/how-women-voters-decided-2020-election-n1247746
Edit: A little bonus
LOL! Did you even read that link? Good God, man, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Meanwhile, white women seem to have maintained or slightly increased their level of support for Trump compared to 2016, with some 55 percent of them voting for Trump this election cycle and 43 percent voting for Biden according to early exit polls.
Why do you keep lying? I thought it was an accident, but you’ve got your head stuck in the ground.
You understand that nonwhite women exist, right?
Your article is precisely what I’m talking about: taking great pains NOT to say how the majority of white women voted Republican.
While Biden made gains among college-educated, white women voters who supported him in greater numbers than they did Hillary Clinton four years ago, Black women voters carried him over the finish line.
I’m sorry are you asking about white women voting for Republicans? Did you look at your first link? I suspect you’re conflating “women” with “white women”.
That conflation is really what I’m talking about when I mention the racism of this country. It honestly was not meant to be pointed directly at the people here, I mean that stories abound about how “women” are solidly Democratic as a way to hide that the majority of white women are Republicans.
Edit: But if you’re quibbling that 47% is not a majority when 42% voted for Democrats, you’re just wasting time. If only white women voted, Republicans would win.
Yes everything is zero sum. if I dispute you, I’m racist. Great way to have a fucking conversation. What I disputed had nothing to do with your race in any fucking way. Bye.
FYI I went back and actually downvoted you just because you are intent on being like this instead of just correcting me if I’m wrong.
Obviously I’m the problem for pointing out WHY you’re so incorrect. There really is no way to sugarcoat it enough for you to do any sort of introspection. Once you cool down a bit from how mean I am, maybe you should think about why you thought White women voted for Democrats.
deleted by creator
Lol. You mean those three bogus articles I already replied to and don’t say what he says it does? 🤡
How about we concentrate on both things?
However, this is one of the only articles I’ve seen on it, I don’t think there’s a LOT of focus on it, vs. all the many many posts/articles calling out white MAGAts. It’s still possible to discuss both things.
Saying that this means everyone downvoting you is racist and all the white democrats are blaming blacks for everything “like always” is beyond disingenuous.
You’re right. Left out one piece though. This commenter is actually saying here that Obama is a huge racist too.
Nah, don’t twist my words. Obama’s a war criminal, not a racist.
You’re very funny!
I’m not twisting anything. This article is about a thing Obama said, which you’re declaring as racist. You told me I was racist for agreeing with the article, which by the way I literally never did. I just disputed your separate claim. Not every issue is a binary choice between two positions and this is a perfect example of that fallacy.
deleted by creator
And of course if you haven’t seen other articles that means they don’t exist.
One might note that I said this country is racist. I called the people down voting me tiresome. The first is an obvious fact. The second is an understandable opinion.
I don’t suppose you remember California Prop 8. But feel free to get your feelings hurt because I mentioned racism rather than actually trying to understand what I said.
OK, are you claiming that there are more articles blaming and calling out black republicans than those calling out white MAGAts?
No, I’m pointing out the difference and quantity of articles blaming and calling out Black men than one’s exploring why so many white women, specifically, vote for Republicans. Especially considering how much larger their vote is than ours.
NPR - News Source Context (Click to view Full Report)
Information for NPR:
MBFC: Left-Center - Credibility: High - Factual Reporting: High - United States of America
Wikipedia about this sourceSearch topics on Ground.News
https://www.npr.org/2024/10/10/g-s1-27633/barack-obama-kamala-harris-black-men-pennsylvania
