Thanks for the link. I’ve only read one of Wells’ books and had never considered whatever his political views were. Even good science fiction tends to intertwine with very disappointing politics. Wells takes so many giant Ls here, not least of which is to fingerwag at Soviet success for its revolutionary necessities, which I’m sure would have been apparent had he been there to experience those conditions. He seems to imply he would have simply debatebro’d the Tzar into accepting some reforms. I get the impression Wells was convinced Keynesianism was some new higher and evolved form of socialism, which has to be the biggest L of them all.
Wells keeps pointing at random butterflies and going “Is this Socialism?” (like, FDR is building offices and creating govt agencies in the US, isn’t that the same thing you’re doing in the USSR?) and Stalin keeps patiently explaining…
When Wells confuses technological progress with Socialism he sounds like a proto-techbro lol. He genuinely thinks all you need to do is convince technical intelligencia to become socialists and then intelligentsia will “organise” the rest of society, as simple as pressing a button.
My highlight is probably when he critisizes JP Morgan for only caring about profits and then goes on to praise Rockefeller and Ford as the kind of capitalists who would help bring about socialism… Of course both were instrumental in creating Nazism instead, Rockefeller by supporting eugenics “research” in the 30s Germany and Ford by supporting NSDAP directly and with such fervor that Hitler wanted to make Ford the leader of the fascist movement in the US.
Wells keeps pointing at random butterflies and going “Is this Socialism?”
Fuckin Keynesians, man. I hate how rehabilitated that shit has become when talking to libs.
To that last bit, I found that remarkable too. Stalin seemed to have a such greater bead on what is happening in the US than the “plugged in” armchair intellectual who came all that way to sing the praises of misunderstood capitalism, and to specifically name some pretty grotesque people as champions. He points to the expansion of a capitalist state bureaucracy under FDR that produced the USMIC which functions as the largest anti-communist force on earth. Hmmmm… maybe socialism is not just about people having jobs? It really would have been the cherry on top if Wells had brought up how Germany just started organizing under a new “socialist” party…
They meant that specific interview of course, not Stalin in general, and they’re as left as libs come. Still couldn’t believe my ears.
Thanks for the link. I’ve only read one of Wells’ books and had never considered whatever his political views were. Even good science fiction tends to intertwine with very disappointing politics. Wells takes so many giant Ls here, not least of which is to fingerwag at Soviet success for its revolutionary necessities, which I’m sure would have been apparent had he been there to experience those conditions. He seems to imply he would have simply debatebro’d the Tzar into accepting some reforms. I get the impression Wells was convinced Keynesianism was some new higher and evolved form of socialism, which has to be the biggest L of them all.
I know, so many Ls! 😂
Wells keeps pointing at random butterflies and going “Is this Socialism?” (like, FDR is building offices and creating govt agencies in the US, isn’t that the same thing you’re doing in the USSR?) and Stalin keeps patiently explaining…
When Wells confuses technological progress with Socialism he sounds like a proto-techbro lol. He genuinely thinks all you need to do is convince technical intelligencia to become socialists and then intelligentsia will “organise” the rest of society, as simple as pressing a button.
My highlight is probably when he critisizes JP Morgan for only caring about profits and then goes on to praise Rockefeller and Ford as the kind of capitalists who would help bring about socialism… Of course both were instrumental in creating Nazism instead, Rockefeller by supporting eugenics “research” in the 30s Germany and Ford by supporting NSDAP directly and with such fervor that Hitler wanted to make Ford the leader of the fascist movement in the US.
Fuckin Keynesians, man. I hate how rehabilitated that shit has become when talking to libs.
To that last bit, I found that remarkable too. Stalin seemed to have a such greater bead on what is happening in the US than the “plugged in” armchair intellectual who came all that way to sing the praises of misunderstood capitalism, and to specifically name some pretty grotesque people as champions. He points to the expansion of a capitalist state bureaucracy under FDR that produced the USMIC which functions as the largest anti-communist force on earth. Hmmmm… maybe socialism is not just about people having jobs? It really would have been the cherry on top if Wells had brought up how Germany just started organizing under a new “socialist” party…