• irmoz@lemmy.world
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    7 days ago

    Try reading again:

    I do not support genocide, or support genocide deniers.

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      6 days ago

      I asked yes or no question and I don’t see a yes or no.

      This simole fact should not require so much repetition and explanation, but we both know why that is happening. Pure cognitive dissonance.

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        6 days ago

        You are replying to a comment that has an answer to your question: an emphatic no.

        This continued dishonesty and gaslighting can now come to an end.

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          6 days ago

          You are replying to a comment that has an answer to your question: an emphatic no.

          First, the comment literally does not have the word “no” in it.

          Second, as a reminder the question was, “Are you against genocide and voting for genocidal candidates?” You are telling me the answer, which was like pulling teeth over 7+ comment exchanges, is “no”. Got it. Will log that in the ol’ memory bank. You are either not against genocide or believe you should vote for genocidal candidates, or both.

          That is indeed consistent with the dissembling zi mentioned before and why there is such cognitive dissonance: because people that hold that opinion are often embarrassed of it, they know it (correctly) makes them look like either monsters or those complicit with them, having no respectable principles.

          This continued dishonesty and gaslighting can now come to an end.

          I have done neither, thanks.

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            6 days ago

            First, the comment literally does not have the word “no” in it.

            Are you joking? Well, for fuck’s sake: no. There it is. I’ve answered so many variations of “I do not support genocide or genocidal candidates” that I’m genuinely baffled you haven’t figured it out yet. What is wrong with you??

            Second, as a reminder the question was, “Are you against genocide and voting for genocidal candidates?”

            No, it was “do you support” them.

            You are telling me the answer, which was like pulling teeth over 7+ comment exchanges, is “no”.

            No, I told you that long, long ago.

            Got it. Will log that in the ol’ memory bank.

            Why are you being sarcastic?

            You are either not against genocide or believe you should vote for genocidal candidates, or both.

            Nope. Neither. (:

            That is indeed consistent with the dissembling zi mentioned before and why there is such cognitive dissonance

            There has been no dissembling or cognitive dissonance: that is merely your unfounded accusation, apropos of absolutely fuckin’ nothing. You’re just arguing this for the sake of it at this point, i.e. trolling. I also don’t quite understand why you said “zi”.

            because people that hold that opinion are often embarrassed of it, they know it (correctly) makes them look like either monsters or those complicit with them, having no respectable principles.

            Yes, I agree with that assessment of such a person that you described.

            However, I never actually said what you’re claiming I did.

            I have done neither, thanks.

            In the very comment I’m replying to, you literally just took my answer as the inverse of what it was (by pretending you asked the reverse of what you did), and did so in complete seriousness, expecting me to actually fall for it.

            Gaslighting, clear as day.

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              6 days ago

              Are you joking? Well, for fuck’s sake: no. There it is.

              You’re acting like I’m the silly one. I’ve reminded you that it is a yes or no question and I’m looking for a yes or a no 5-6 times at least. The sentence I was responding to incorrectly claimed you gave an emphatic no when you 100% had not even said the word, let alone emphatically.

              I’ve answered so many variations of “I do not support genocide or genocidal candidates” that I’m genuinely baffled you haven’t figured it out yet.

              You have not. You have, as I have noted repeatedly, starting going off talking about how this is a complex topic and oh here is an electoral rationalization and hey look over there an insult and oh man it is a loaded question (though it isn’t) so you can’t answer.

              What is wrong with you??

              Nothing, I’m being normal and reasonable. If this were a face to face conversation you’d be the person reminded to answer a yes or no question with yes or a no five times in a row while dithering lol.

              No, it was “do you support” them.

              I put the question in quotation marks because it was verbatim what I asked. Your next reply is the one that you called an “emphatic no” as it if were so obvious. Take all the time you need to put together the mystery of question-answer.

              No, I told you that long, long ago.

              lol bullshit. The teeth pulling and whining about loaded questions. I asked for a direct yes or no answer many times and you refused.

              Why are you being sarcastic?

              Because I suspected you would dither again and maybe even contradict yourself, as is the tendency of folks that behave like yourself.

              Nope. Neither. (:

              Hey look I was right about contradicting yourself.

              There has been no dissembling or cognitive dissonance

              Just 10+ comments of you trying to avoid a yes or no question to talk about trite electoral logic instead and trying to pretend it was a loaded question.

              that is merely your unfounded accusation

              I didn’t think it would need explanation since we were both there and it is right above us in the comment chain. Eventually, every person dishonestly invested in deflection tires themselves out and gets confused, then starts blaming others for it.

              apropos of absolutely fuckin’ nothing

              I don’t think you know what that idiom means.

              You’re just arguing this for the sake of it at this point, i.e. trolling. I also don’t quite understand why you said “zi”.

              There is almost nothing to argue about. We have reached the point where you can’t follow a linearly-ordered question and answer nor recognize what quotation marks mean, leading to a situation where you want to pretend I didn’t ask the thing I copy + pasted from just a few comments ago. It is you just dithering and getting confused because you can’t give a straight answer to a yes or no question and stand by it.

              “zi” is just a typo.

              Yes, I agree with that assessment of such a person that you described.

              It describes your behavior.

              However, I never actually said what you’re claiming I did.

              I am claiming you gave a “no” answer to my question. You know, the thing you are saying you emphatically did do. The thing you tried to get sassy about in the beginning of your comment and are now trying to walk back lmao. The only question is: deeply confused or trying to play with the truth? Could go either way, there is plenty of precedent for either.

              In the very comment I’m replying to, you literally just took my answer as the inverse of what it was (by pretending you asked the reverse of what you said)

              I’m going to go with “deeply confused”. No need for me to keep repeating the same things about quotes and linear time.

              and did so in complete seriousness, expecting me to actually fall for it.

              Ah yes my dastardly plan of asking a simple yes or no question in plain text and then taking your " emphatic no" and trying to move on. Alas. Now we get to return to your favorite topic: hearing me ask the question again and again to see if you would like to join the world of those with the courage of their convictions and stand by a yes or no answer. Are you excited?

              Gaslighting, clear as day.

              I have no intention to make you feel crazy. I am trying to keep you focused, if anything. And I have described what happened quite accurately. Please take as much time as you need to compare what I have said to our comments and ask questions if something doesn’t add up to you.

              But now we get back to your favorite ever thing. Since you are apparently very confused about what question you gave an “emohatic no” to, and now want to take it back, I will just ask it again. Remember,! Vakid answers are “yes” or “no”! I believe in you! You can reveal your position on it! You’ve got this!

              Are you against genocide and voting for genocidal candidates?

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                6 days ago

                Yes I’m against them

                No, i don’t support them

                I’ve already said this multiple times

                Why pretend otherwise?

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                  6 days ago

                  Okay, for the first part I can piece it together despite the wrong pronoun and understanding you to be saying that you are against genocide. So you are answering “yes” to the first half of the question. You claim to be against genocide. Great.

                  For the second one I cannot easily parse. I did not ask who you support, for example, but instead asked about having a red ljnr when it comes to voting. But let’s say you are saying “no” to the second half of my question, i.e. the only way I can grasp for clarity here. The second half of my question is, “Are you against […] voting for genocidal candidates?” If you are saying no to this, that puts us back to the last comment, where you were pitching a fit about me understanding your “no” to mean “no” and not a hidden third mystery thing.

                  If I were to be generous, it may be that you think I am asking if you are personally voting for genocidal candidates and you are substituting your own term (“support”). i.e. you thought I was asking, “Are you […] voting for genocidal candidates?” That would reverse the meaning of your answer. And that would put us away back to square one, which is you claiming it is not so simple. But of course it is that simple, you just say that genocide is unacceptable and that you will never vote for a genocider.

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                    6 days ago

                    Sure, pretend to have trouble reading, that helps your case so much

                    It isn’t fucking hard

                    “Yes, I’m against genocide, and against supporting genocidal candidates”

                    How is that the wrong pronoun? Genocide and genocidal candidates add up to more than one thing.

                    “No, I don’t support genocide or genocidal candidates”

                    Really not hard to parse whatsoever.

                    Why do you have to act like things are so hard? I’ve answered your question so many fucking times and you still haven’t actually responded to it. You instead just continue to act as if i haven’t answered. Instead of continuing the discussion, you’re just keeping us trapped here, locked in this endless cycle of you asking the question and me answering, over and over until the eventual heat death of the universe.

                    The crazy thing is, looking through your comment history at your general opinions, it seems we actually agree on almost everything. So why are you so mad at me?

                    You’re just fucking trolling at this point. Fuck off