If someone is so socially inept and surrounded by equally socially inept people who don’t call out this behavior, then it’s possible they don’t have anyone who is part of society at large that would inform them of how their actions will be perceived by most members of the public.
I’m not commenting because it hurts me in any way. I’m commenting because this person is going to have a relatively difficult life socially if they continue with the behavior they currently exhibit.
They’ve been inconveniencing me by following me around and harassing be because they didn’t understand my simple point that ‘they’ applies to all humans.
They harassed me over calling Caillou ‘he.’ As in the cartoon toddler. Seriously.
They also object to people using the word ‘you’ to address them, which is fucking stupid.
The gut-reaction to call someone cringe is a natural expression of the human desire to conform to social norms. They are insecure about their own differences so they enforce conformity in others by trying to humiliate them, the way they have been. In a strange way they could see it as helping them to avoid further humiliation. They’re saying “cut it out” with an implied “or else people will not accept you.” It’s pure instinct.
Its a nickname, your username shortened. That’s a proper noun whether you pretend to use it otherwise elsewhere or not, as context is important in communication
I do like the trolling effort though so keep on keeping on
“trolling” https://lemmy.world/modlog/1384
fair enough, it is pretty distracting. However OP is PURPOSEFULLY doing it to troll, drag has been doing everywhere for quite some time.
I think the assumption that people who engage in unconventional means of expression are attention-seeking speaks to a common insecurity people have about receiving negative attention themselves. They’re reflecting the social pressure to conform that they already surrendered to.
Why? This is their post and they wanna use middle English. It’s not that big a problem for anyone else.
Are you just worried that it’ll become a more common trend? I don’t think that’ll happen. It’s just gonna be like scrolling by a ich iel post every now and again.
You’re right, it is. But language shifts in populations in ways that enhance communication. One person using letters that nobody else uses makes communication of ideas more difficult.
Not only that, but they’re only choosing to use some Middle English letters, and not any other rules of Middle English grammar or spelling.
They can use whatever language they want, but if it’s too much effort for people to understand, they’re more likely to be ignored.
You’re right, it is. But language shifts in populations in ways that enhance communication. One person using letterspronouns that nobody else uses makes communication of ideas more difficult.
Not only that, but they’re only choosing to use someMiddle English lettersenglish pronouns, and not any otherrules of Middle English grammar or spellingdifferent types of english pronouns.
They can use whatever languagepronouns they want, but if it’s too much effort for people to understand, they’re more likely to be ignored.
Doesn’t sound so reasonable now, does it? If language that mildly inconveniences others is an acceptable way to express your gender identity, then why not also to express yourself creatively?
One, pronous are not letters, and letters are not pronouns. I’m not offending anyone’s gender by suggesting that using “þ” instead of “th” when trying to communicate in English on the internet in 2024 is counterproductive.
Two, gendered pronouns are some of the very oldest words in English, and they are used very regularly. They are engrained in native English speakers from birth. Each of us has a very long history of thinking in terms of these gendered pronouns, and I will grant that those who are younger have an easier time of making gender shifts with pronouns than those who are older.
There’s a reason people aren’t using xe/xey, for example. Somebody just made it up and said “use it.” Language doesn’t work by fiat (unless we’re talking about a colonizer eliminating indigenous languages by literal force). In terms of gender neutral pronouns, we already have the singular “they,” which has been in use to some degree since at least Early Modern English.
I can wholly respect and support someone’s gender and refuse to use nonsense words at the same time. Think about where gendered pronouns are used: when one person talks to a second person about a third person. If that third person is genderfluid in some way, I’m going to use “they” when referring to them (see what I did there?), because the second person is most likely to understand what I’m saying.
And before you get all fucking uppity again, I’ve had many lengthy conversations about this and so many other gender issues with my son, who is, among so many other things, trans.
I don’t even necessarily disagree that it’s counterproductive, I just don’t think it’s fair to attack someone for using esoteric or unconventional language. Yes, it inconveniences the listener - or in this case the reader - but in this context no one is being forced to engage with OP. By using some Old English letters OP is just having some innocent fun at no one’s expense, which doesn’t warrant the harsh response they’re receiving.
If you were talking to someone and they casually used xe/xey pronouns (or any neopronouns for that matter) to refer to a friend who isn’t there, would you go out of your way to lecture them about what an inconvenience it is to you to have to learn something new?
Stop trying to make Middle English happen.
You complete me.
Drag likes the middle English. Drag thinks you just hate fun.
Referring to yourself in the third person is cringe as fuck
Agreed, but I also kind of like it? It’s a fun cringe, if that’s a thing.
while i appreciate your random internet stranger opinion, I fail to see how dragonfucker hurts or inconveniences any of us 🤷♀️
like yeah i get you dont like it but isnt your comment just a teeny bit more cringe as fuck?
If someone is so socially inept and surrounded by equally socially inept people who don’t call out this behavior, then it’s possible they don’t have anyone who is part of society at large that would inform them of how their actions will be perceived by most members of the public.
I’m not commenting because it hurts me in any way. I’m commenting because this person is going to have a relatively difficult life socially if they continue with the behavior they currently exhibit.
They’ve been inconveniencing me by following me around and harassing be because they didn’t understand my simple point that ‘they’ applies to all humans.
They harassed me over calling Caillou ‘he.’ As in the cartoon toddler. Seriously.
They also object to people using the word ‘you’ to address them, which is fucking stupid.
No.
The gut-reaction to call someone cringe is a natural expression of the human desire to conform to social norms. They are insecure about their own differences so they enforce conformity in others by trying to humiliate them, the way they have been. In a strange way they could see it as helping them to avoid further humiliation. They’re saying “cut it out” with an implied “or else people will not accept you.” It’s pure instinct.
Drag isn’t referring to dragself in third person.
What do you call it then? Because that’s what’s happening here
Unless “drag” refers to someone/thing else entirely, which context heavily implies otherwise
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Cute, but no it’s not
Its a nickname, your username shortened. That’s a proper noun whether you pretend to use it otherwise elsewhere or not, as context is important in communication
I do like the trolling effort though so keep on keeping on
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Bruh why removed by mod?
“trolling” https://lemmy.world/modlog/1384
fair enough, it is pretty distracting. However OP is PURPOSEFULLY doing it to troll, drag has been doing everywhere for quite some time.
I think the assumption that people who engage in unconventional means of expression are attention-seeking speaks to a common insecurity people have about receiving negative attention themselves. They’re reflecting the social pressure to conform that they already surrendered to.
You can strap a watermelon to your neck and call it whatever you want, but don’t expect others to mistake that for a personality.
A thorn in your side?
A thorn in my ash.
Surely we’ll sing
of no little thing
In Oak and ash and thorn
Why? This is their post and they wanna use middle English. It’s not that big a problem for anyone else.
Are you just worried that it’ll become a more common trend? I don’t think that’ll happen. It’s just gonna be like scrolling by a ich iel post every now and again.
NAY I SAY!
Based as hell.
No. Language is dynamic by design. If þey/þem wish to be diacritical fluid, who are we to deny freedom of speech?
You’re right, it is. But language shifts in populations in ways that enhance communication. One person using letters that nobody else uses makes communication of ideas more difficult.
Not only that, but they’re only choosing to use some Middle English letters, and not any other rules of Middle English grammar or spelling.
They can use whatever language they want, but if it’s too much effort for people to understand, they’re more likely to be ignored.
Counterargument: middle English is based
can we just go back to Homestuck-esque typing quirks?
Doesn’t sound so reasonable now, does it? If language that mildly inconveniences others is an acceptable way to express your gender identity, then why not also to express yourself creatively?
One, pronous are not letters, and letters are not pronouns. I’m not offending anyone’s gender by suggesting that using “þ” instead of “th” when trying to communicate in English on the internet in 2024 is counterproductive.
Two, gendered pronouns are some of the very oldest words in English, and they are used very regularly. They are engrained in native English speakers from birth. Each of us has a very long history of thinking in terms of these gendered pronouns, and I will grant that those who are younger have an easier time of making gender shifts with pronouns than those who are older.
There’s a reason people aren’t using xe/xey, for example. Somebody just made it up and said “use it.” Language doesn’t work by fiat (unless we’re talking about a colonizer eliminating indigenous languages by literal force). In terms of gender neutral pronouns, we already have the singular “they,” which has been in use to some degree since at least Early Modern English.
I can wholly respect and support someone’s gender and refuse to use nonsense words at the same time. Think about where gendered pronouns are used: when one person talks to a second person about a third person. If that third person is genderfluid in some way, I’m going to use “they” when referring to them (see what I did there?), because the second person is most likely to understand what I’m saying.
And before you get all fucking uppity again, I’ve had many lengthy conversations about this and so many other gender issues with my son, who is, among so many other things, trans.
I don’t even necessarily disagree that it’s counterproductive, I just don’t think it’s fair to attack someone for using esoteric or unconventional language. Yes, it inconveniences the listener - or in this case the reader - but in this context no one is being forced to engage with OP. By using some Old English letters OP is just having some innocent fun at no one’s expense, which doesn’t warrant the harsh response they’re receiving.
If you were talking to someone and they casually used xe/xey pronouns (or any neopronouns for that matter) to refer to a friend who isn’t there, would you go out of your way to lecture them about what an inconvenience it is to you to have to learn something new?
Please refer to point one of my previous comment.
You aren’t owed prescriptive compliance just because you’re used to a worse system.
Let alone if you feel like going out of ð way to justify shitting on oðer people’s innocent fun.
Why are all thornies I ever saw complete nutjobs?
Thornies is a pejorative I’ve never seen before, who does that refer to?
There’s unfortunately more people like this very guy
That didn’t really answer my question.
One of the letters he uses that looks like p is called thorn. So they’re calling people who use it thornies. I like it.
I’m sorry but is it really that hard to point out what’s so special going on in this guy’s head?
Because you’re on Lemmy and no one here seems to be, you included.
^ What did he mean by this?