You know, if I did get relevant ads from all of these places that are supposedly tracking everything that I do and monitoring my likes, I wouldn’t mind ads so much. But the fact that even though Google, for example, knows everything that I do and everywhere that I go and everything that I like, they still serve me irrelevant ads that I would never care about in a billion years. All of this touted targeted ads bullshit technology and it doesn’t even work. So I don’t care, harvest everything that I like and everything that I do. Because it doesn’t work anyway.
Problem are not ads being relevant. Real problem is much more sinister. It’s about being able to influence your behavior thanks to knowing your habits. Shill new running shoes from a different perspective so you find it more palatable or easier to influence you to buy something you don’t want. Slowly these patterns emerge and can be exploited. In some cases they can start to reveal secrets you don’t want revealed, like that case where Target sent pregnancy ads and coupons to teenagers and causing bunch of issues with their parents. It gets worse if they start selling your data to others. Imagine a politician making targeted ads towards select group of people based on their preferences telling them what they want to hear in order to get elected. Data can easily be abused in such a way.
You say it doesn’t work on you, which I doubt but even if that is so, on majority of people it will work. Privacy must be taken absolutely and seriously even though you have nothing to hide. Just like freedom of speech must remain even though you have nothing to publicly say.
Very well said
I agree this needs to be taken more seriously. I recently bought a laptop that when booting into the BIOS displayed a message box saying that the device had persistent technology installed on it. With a little google search I found many computer companies come preinstalled with this rootkit and that it was not installed on the hard drive but into the motherboard instead and removing it was next to impossible. Almost every major computer company now are coming pre-installed with this. (mine was a 2020 Levono Thinkpad T490)
Bro being a regular sucks and it even sucks more when you don’t know what you’re taking about.
They will sell you Nike while making you think that you’re life sucks because you’re fat.
Ah well goodluck google. I haven’t seen a single ad from past 6-7 years. Next DNS on my router, Linux mint with Firefox (ublock origin) and same for android.
Nice! I do pretty much the same except for the dns part. I’ll look into it.
Having said that, I’ve always said that we should be able to purchase dumb TVs, and when people say “just don’t connect it to the net,” they’re missing the point, because they’re still enabling these companies (this is not directed at you specifically. It’s just an argument I keep hearing.)
Shit will want to connect some way. If I ever have to buy a smart TV for myself, I’m opening it up and swapping the brain board or removing the antenna.
Walmart sells Sceptre 4k tvs which are dumb, sure they aren’t OLED or have amazing refresh rates but they are the perfect TV for most people, it’s much easier to chuck and buy a new $20 streaming device when updates make it crawl to a near stop than it is to do the same with a $600+ TV.
These new Led backlit tvs die like every 2 years and need led strip replacement. I had to repair mine 3 times now while my old lcd tv never died in 15+ years and I gave it to my dad who is using it for past 8 years daily.
I’m annoyed that they don’t sell them and that even if you don’t connect a smart tv to wifi to keep it dumb it’ll still not just be a display and it’ll try to shove stuff in your face
I bought a Hisense and it had the option during setup to disable most smart features and leave it in “basic mode”. I was already going to put an Apple TV in it so I just left it there and I’ve been happy. Only thing a tv needs is settings and the ability to change inputs.
Most TVs have an office or presentation mode hidden somewhere in the settings, that will get rid of the ad-ridden interface and replace it with a plain and functional one. That plus no wifi, ever, gets them sorted.
I have an old Toshiba LCD TV which is a bit thick in comparison to today’s devices but it’s so good and robust. Also no smart features what so ever. Comes with a bunch of inputs and has some features not found on modern devices. It also came with full schematic should it ever need servicing. Every now and then I’ll get the urge of getting oh so new and shiny OLED then remind myself about builtin expiration date and stupid “smart” features.
I miss having a dumb tv
If I don’t connect it to the internet they don’t get to sell ur data innit
I only watch pirated content. What data are they selling?
Your viewing habits. Nature shows? Show this guy camping gear ads on his phone!
You know, if I did get relevant ads from all of these places that are supposedly tracking everything that I do and monitoring my likes, I wouldn’t mind ads so much. But the fact that even though Google, for example, knows everything that I do and everywhere that I go and everything that I like, they still serve me irrelevant ads that I would never care about in a billion years. All of this touted targeted ads bullshit technology and it doesn’t even work. So I don’t care, harvest everything that I like and everything that I do. Because it doesn’t work anyway.
Problem are not ads being relevant. Real problem is much more sinister. It’s about being able to influence your behavior thanks to knowing your habits. Shill new running shoes from a different perspective so you find it more palatable or easier to influence you to buy something you don’t want. Slowly these patterns emerge and can be exploited. In some cases they can start to reveal secrets you don’t want revealed, like that case where Target sent pregnancy ads and coupons to teenagers and causing bunch of issues with their parents. It gets worse if they start selling your data to others. Imagine a politician making targeted ads towards select group of people based on their preferences telling them what they want to hear in order to get elected. Data can easily be abused in such a way.
You say it doesn’t work on you, which I doubt but even if that is so, on majority of people it will work. Privacy must be taken absolutely and seriously even though you have nothing to hide. Just like freedom of speech must remain even though you have nothing to publicly say.
Very well said I agree this needs to be taken more seriously. I recently bought a laptop that when booting into the BIOS displayed a message box saying that the device had persistent technology installed on it. With a little google search I found many computer companies come preinstalled with this rootkit and that it was not installed on the hard drive but into the motherboard instead and removing it was next to impossible. Almost every major computer company now are coming pre-installed with this. (mine was a 2020 Levono Thinkpad T490)
It’s boiling the frog approach. Slowly and hard to notice these changes are added one by one.
Bro being a regular sucks and it even sucks more when you don’t know what you’re taking about. They will sell you Nike while making you think that you’re life sucks because you’re fat.
Ah well goodluck google. I haven’t seen a single ad from past 6-7 years. Next DNS on my router, Linux mint with Firefox (ublock origin) and same for android.
Nice! I do pretty much the same except for the dns part. I’ll look into it.
Having said that, I’ve always said that we should be able to purchase dumb TVs, and when people say “just don’t connect it to the net,” they’re missing the point, because they’re still enabling these companies (this is not directed at you specifically. It’s just an argument I keep hearing.)
Shit will want to connect some way. If I ever have to buy a smart TV for myself, I’m opening it up and swapping the brain board or removing the antenna.
Walmart sells Sceptre 4k tvs which are dumb, sure they aren’t OLED or have amazing refresh rates but they are the perfect TV for most people, it’s much easier to chuck and buy a new $20 streaming device when updates make it crawl to a near stop than it is to do the same with a $600+ TV.
These new Led backlit tvs die like every 2 years and need led strip replacement. I had to repair mine 3 times now while my old lcd tv never died in 15+ years and I gave it to my dad who is using it for past 8 years daily.
I’m annoyed that they don’t sell them and that even if you don’t connect a smart tv to wifi to keep it dumb it’ll still not just be a display and it’ll try to shove stuff in your face
I bought a Hisense and it had the option during setup to disable most smart features and leave it in “basic mode”. I was already going to put an Apple TV in it so I just left it there and I’ve been happy. Only thing a tv needs is settings and the ability to change inputs.
android tv has this option at setup, like Sony and whatever else
your Hisense has android tv pre-installed
Most TVs have an office or presentation mode hidden somewhere in the settings, that will get rid of the ad-ridden interface and replace it with a plain and functional one. That plus no wifi, ever, gets them sorted.
LOL I’m still using an old CRT TV because it just won’t die and I barely watch TV
Any Smart TV can be a dumb TV if not connected to the internet
And what you will do with the preinstalled malware and bloatware?
Whats the malware going to do?
Lock you out? Instant refund and negative review. Steal your info? Cant send info out without internet.
But it will still be a bloat and take up resources like any deamon/service and resources are already very low on these devices!
Not connecting to internet is not a solution but buying dump TV is.
I have an old Toshiba LCD TV which is a bit thick in comparison to today’s devices but it’s so good and robust. Also no smart features what so ever. Comes with a bunch of inputs and has some features not found on modern devices. It also came with full schematic should it ever need servicing. Every now and then I’ll get the urge of getting oh so new and shiny OLED then remind myself about builtin expiration date and stupid “smart” features.
I gave mine up when I had to move cross country. I miss it dearly.