• Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Damn, maybe palestine should have accepted the two state plan in 1947 instead of trying to eliminate all Israeli Jews at the time.

    Israel accepted it. Palestine started killing civilians. Then got their asses handed to them repeatedly.

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      1 year ago

      You have to understand though, prior to the UN proposal, it was all just Palestine. Why should the Palestinians have accepted a UN (foreign, primarily western at the time) proposal to give half of their land to a minority who only began immigrating there en masse in the last 50 years? This was the period of decolonization, and while the rest of the Arab world and Africa was gaining their independence, Palestine was just getting a new map drawn on them by their western colonizers.

      It’s easy to say with another 70 years of perspective that it didn’t work out for them, but in 1947 Israel was nothing more than an idea championed by a minority of religious extremists, viewed as terrorists even in the west.

      • Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        Prior to the UN proposal it was a British territory. Before that it was part of the Ottoman Empire.

        Palestine has never existed as an independent state.

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          1 year ago

          Correct. However it was never israels. Can we at least agree on that?

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            1 year ago

            Depends on how long you go back. It was Israel/Judea for over 1000 years before the Arab Conquest forced Jews to be scattered to the winds in the first place.

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      1 year ago

      Wow, how gracious of israel, with the backing of the most powerful militaries in the world arrayed against a country without significant military allies, to nominally agree to a two-state plan and then for 75 years violate treaties, kill civilians and constantly invade the other state that essentially can’t fight back.

      Super brave of them to constantly show force with the US military backing them.

      I’m sure Israel appreciates you admiring their genocide.

      • sock@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        what if u were israel

        should israel just let palestine attack and have israel intentionally hold back the fact they are much more powerful? if you poke a bear and get mauled do we blame the bear?

        in america we would likely blame the bear but folks dont get consequences now.

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          1 year ago

          Wow all over the wrong map. No, in American wildlife conservation and training, the wild animal is not blamed because humans have the ability to plan and reason and animals have an extremely limited ability to plan and reason and are practically only able to react.

          You compare Israel to a mindless beast without the ability to plan or reason, ignoring that Israel has been invading Palestine for 75 years, carrying out a obvious territorial expansion “plan” according to their"reason"(I want it and I am stronger than you).

          You’re incorrect that Israel is doing this as mindless reactionaries, But you’re probably making that assumption because as an American you are trained to be reactionary and hold knee-jerk reactions in high regard.

          A bunch of Saudi Arabians bombed your New York! Quick, let’s invade several unrelated countries! How reasonable. What a good plan. 80% approval ratings.

          This declaration of war, if followed through, is a continuation of the systematic territorial invasion and execution of Palestinian civilians that has been going on for most of a century.

          It’s just going to happen faster now.