• PKMKII [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    5 months ago

    Soooo, these people think the American revolution was a bad thing? The Haitian revolution? French Revolution? Do they think the Vietnamese should have just rolled over and been content with being French subjects because otherwise the supply of baguettes might have been interrupted? Once again, libs love every prior revolution and hate the idea of the revolution around the corner.

  • CarbonScored [any]@hexbear.net
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    5 months ago

    This might be a reasonable concern if the current governments weren’t already killing and causing suffering en masse.

    Why is my life right now considered “acceptable collateral” but revolution to solve that is wrong?

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    Every time i see some navel-gazing horseshit like this out of comfortable, overprivileged crackers like these, all I can think is that nah, fuck all the bullshit; Amerikans are absolutely acceptable collateral when shit pops off. Because it will pop off, and it will not be the left that gets it popping. We are going to have to fight a war that will be brought to us. We are going to have to bleed fascists dry; and it’s specifically because the bloated, overprivileged larvae of the professional managerial class, that expected to grow into nepobaby sinecurials, couldn’t be bothered to wake up, grow up, and realize that they’re ACTUALLY in the same slowly-boiling pot as all the rest of us.

    And half of them will sell us out when that time comes, to preserve the comfort and ‘peace’ that they put over everyone else’s agony. That they paper over the unpleasantries of their life with. They won’t even think about what happens to us after they make that call.

    Nah, they wanna talk about ‘they’re not acceptable collateral’? No. Every settler; every colonizer’s son, every colonizer’s daughter, is acceptable collateral. More than enough of my people have been lynched to justify it. These Amerikans have never been on any kind of motion that isn’t “making sure the treat dispenser is still running at the expense of ‘the minorities’ that they’d have a HEART ATTACK if they saw moving into their neighborhoods”. These are not my allies. These are not my comrades. These are not my countrymen.

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      I think they’re the single most frustrating type of liberal. They’re the closest to “getting it” among all the liberals because many of them are queer and/or women and so have experienced real oppression unlike many in the Reddit crowd, which is largely male and techbro-aligned. When I occasionally interact with them, I just want to make them read State and Revolution (or the equivalent anarchist text, both Marxism and anarchism are superior to liberalism) because many of them do just need that final push out of liberal orthodox thinking into a better and more explanatory ideology.

      But their closeness to the truth in terms of how society is patriarchal and this needs to be changed and a more queer society created (albeit without a Marxist feminist understanding) makes it all the more frustrating when people like those in the image above come along and confidently assert that revolutions shouldn’t be done because they lead to innocent people dying because they haven’t even heard of the concept of structural violence, or other excuses for not adopting a revolutionary approach. Their automatic dismissal of totalitarian tankies who want to redistribute your toothbrush as well as the dismissal of anarchists for having too lofty/unrealistic a goal, ultimately leads to them navel-gazing uselessly in a corner somewhere or, at best, attempting the entirely pointless task of pushing elected officials to the left, and thus they’re on the side of the fascist status quo.

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    5 months ago

    Man it’s a good thing structural violence isn’t a thing. Otherwise incremental reform (or more honestly, its vain pursuit under bourgeois democracy) would have its own death toll that is being assumed as the normal, immutable state of things

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      5 months ago

      The logical chain they’re missing is the fact that Capitalism is very literally using the sick and disabled as human shields - “Don’t hurt me, or little Timmy won’t get his chemotherapy!”