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Summary
President Biden recently authorized Ukraine to use longer-range U.S. missiles to strike inside Russia, marking a small but overdue escalation in the conflict.
This decision aims to disrupt Russia’s military operations and bolster Ukraine’s position, especially with the potential Trump administration favoring pro-Russian policies.
Russia’s retaliatory missile strike on Ukraine, though deadly, represents more of the same tactics.
Analysts argue Biden’s earlier caution was excessive, and calling Russia’s nuclear bluffs is strategically necessary to counter further extortion.
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Biden isn’t escalating the war, he is slow-walking the aid. Too much to die, too little to live, as the Ukrainians say. If you give Russia 9 months to pull critical assests out of range and only allow strikes deep into Russia after a whole nother nations enters the war on the side of Russia, you can’t frame that as escalatory, no matter how much Putin bitches and moans.
Hmmm. My idea of the process is a little different. Embedded CIA reports to the DOD on daily to and fro of the war. What the Ukrainians needed yesterday isn’t necessarily what they will need tomorrow. Wars evolve. The DOD takes this information and projects future needs leading to a budget recommendation to Congress. Congress creates a budget bill and passes it. Johnson sitting on that bill, BTW, put Ukraine behind the 8 ball. Biden uses that allocation to buy weapons per the DOD recommendations. Rules placed on weapons use, such as not using US missiles on Russian ground, are meant to stop escalation into NATO entering into the conflict. In fact when that rule ochanged there was an escalation, but not involving NATO, yet.
I think it’s pretty clearly the goal of NATO to keep Russia stuck in a prolonged war in Ukraine, which it’s been very successful so far.
I think they’ve given them far too little for that. Russians keep gaining territory which will eventually break the Ukrainian morale. If the line doesn’t move or moves back a bit that’s a whole other perspective.
The right thing, done far too late.
Americans can always be trusted to do the right thing, once all other possibilities have been exhausted - Winston Churchill
Meanwhile, several thousand miles to the south…
It’s way too late. Unless we are pro-war now it would’ve been better to make a peace plan before the other guy is in office.
The only peace plan is the Ukraine disposing Putin.
Which will only happen if we have WW3. Let’s be honest.
I’m actually pretty doubtful that Russia still has much of a nuclear capacity. Maintaining a nuclear arsenal is very expensive, and the Russian oligarchs have been embezzling massive amounts of money from the military.
They’ve had to resort to asking NK for help, so I don’t think they have a good chance of winning the current conflict, much less an actual NATO power.
The trouble with that is that the Soviets had such a large arsenal that even if only a vanishingly small fraction of it still works, it’s still ruining someone’s day. An ICBM with a dodgy guidance system or leaky fuel tank still hits a populated area even if it misses a city. An H-bomb that misfires is still an A-bomb, and an A-bomb that misfires is still a dirty bomb. It’s plausible that NATO could win a nuclear war against Russia without even firing back just from Russia embarrassing itself and giving an excuse for a conventional war they’d also lose, but that’s a huge gamble that no one wants to make, especially when winning is still worse than the status quo.
It takes 26 minutes and 40 seconds for a ballistic missile to get from a launchpad in Russia to the East Coast of the United States.
Cool then you don’t have too much time to worry.
How long does it take to get the missile, payload, and fuel to the launchpad?
Cool story
Russia isn’t starting WW3, because there’s literally no possible way for them to survive doing that.
They can’t even beat Ukraine in a straight fight, and they know it. They are woefully ill equipped to take on all of NATO.
No matter how much damage they could potentially do if they tried, the ending is guaranteed; Russia and its current leadership do not exist.
The Russian leadership are vain, greedy, and power hungry, and the thing about those traits is they make you very, very averse to personal risk. They’re not going to take any action that puts them in the firing line.
ATACM on his train might do it
So the options are WW3 or cede Ukraine to Russia.
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You really had to make an alt account for your pathetic trolling?
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Which has nothing to do with your mental illness at the moment, champ.
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Did you have a stroke?
Edit: You literally worship a grown man who shits his diapers.
Didn’t realize we bounced over December and right to the inauguration…
Well that’s a shit opinion not supported by foreign policy experts. And the US puppet government he’s running in Ukraine is largely made up of Nazis.
Source: my Russian propaganda, bro.
With a jewish comedian at the top
This decision is leading to another 90K NK troops and possible Yemen might send troops as well. The perpetual agitation of escalation cant be anymore clear. Yeah Russia deserves this but in no way is this not escalation.
Ukraine is defending themselves. Russia is the one escalating and has been since the invasion.
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No one is arguing that. What Biden stupid ass did before he leaves office is the same he has done since the war started. Escalation!
You’re arguing that now, lol.
And you’re blaming Biden for Russia invading Ukraine?
I see reading comprehension is not your thing!
Lol.
What Biden stupid ass did before he leaves office is the same he has done since the war started. Escalation
So this isn’t you implying it’s Biden’s fault?
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Triggering WWIII with other nuclear powers is the right thing to do?
It gets easier by the day to manufacture consent
And enabling authoritarian regimes to do what they want is the right thing to do? Fuck you.
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Supposing all of that were true, it wouldn’t matter.
Defending Ukraine against unprovoked foreign aggression would still be the right thing to do. Because a free Ukraine can eventually have a better government. An occupied Ukraine cannot.
Unprovoked? Looks like you don’t know half of what’s going on
Unprovoked? The Nazi puppet government was slaughtering ethnic Russians in east Ukraine for years prior to the invasion, while allowing NATO to deploy droves of troops and missile deployments at the Russian border.
Ah, sorry, my mistake.
I took you for someone who was at least attempting to argue in good faith.
I’m not gonna stick to the western narrative, if that’s what you mean.
That’s fine
If you could stick to reality at least, though
Source?
Is there any actual proof of this genocide that you can point me to?
Asking for real.
You do not hold elections during a war if your constitution says so. Many countries do it this way. Russia can hold as many elections as it wants because those are not real elections.
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Thank you
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“Slaughtering ethnic Russians” cool you just made that shit up.
“NATO moving missiles to the border” dumbass they aren’t IN NATO how the fuck would they have NATO missile emplacements. Also, even if they had, you know how a fucking border works right? It is THEIR territory they can put as many fucking missiles on their side all they want
Oh, it’s the edgelord who is fighting an imaginary battle on the internet. How’s that been going for ya, champ?
reason: Russian Propaganda
It doesn’t matter whether it’s true or false, it’s enough that Russians are also saying it.
You consistently have the most brain dead takes on Lemmy, bravo
Because I won’t contribute to your echo chamber?
TIL triggering ww3 is when you don’t allow one nation to invade and conquer another.
I guess we should just stab Ukraine in the back then, right? I mean, screw those people, who cares, right? Is that what you’re saying?
The US has been screwing them using Ukrainians as human shields to fight their proxy war.
How exactly does that answer what I said? What should we do? Abandon Ukraine, and let Russia take it over? Do not proselytize please. Examine the situation and come up with a course of action.
