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        I don’t know much about Israel or Gaza, but from a logical point of view, Hamas killing residents and people at a concert, by default, makes them disgusting animals, and terrorists. It is a true shame that innocent civilians in Gaza are being killed. Any nation would have to fight back against such an evil attack. I don’t understand your point of view about supporting fascists

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          I don’t know much about Israel or Gaza, but from a logical point of view, Hamas killing residents and people at a concert, by default, makes them disgusting animals, and terrorists.

          If you don’t know much about the history, I would suggest you do a lot of research before jumping to conclusions on current events. Otherwise you would be making arguments based on faulty premises.

          As an example, you said “Hamas killing residents”. They aren’t residents, they are occupiers. Nor were they the primary target anyway. By international law, the things an occupied body is allowed to do to resist their occupiers is fairly extensive. I would also argue that having a party immediately outside the concentration camp you are keeping people makes you a disgusting animal (and an idiot besides).

          You can’t just say “logically X” without knowing any of the conditions that lead to the situation as it exists now.

          Any nation would have to fight back against such an evil attack.

          That is what the Palestinian people are doing. Take into account that for the vast majority of the Palestinian people they were born and raised in those concentration camps. We have no right to judge what they do to break free. In all honesty, if I had been kept in a concentration camp my entire life only to break out and see a bunch of my jailers having a party, I would probably do worse.

          I don’t understand your point of view about supporting fascists

          Israel are colonizers and fascists. Considering they have mandatory military service, none of them (save those too young to know better and leave) are particularly innocent of that. Spouting their talking points is, at best, tacit support of fascism.

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            When you call for death to Israel, do you mean the people in Israel or the government of Israel?

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              שאתה טיפש או מה ?

              אני מתכוון המדינה הציונית (המשטר הציונית) לא האנשים. אני יהודי ספרדי ואני שונא את הכיבוש הציוני . המשטר הציוני  לא צריך להתקיים ! .

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                  Zionist Settlers are not civilians , they ( zionists ) are occupying the land of the Palestinian people , Palestine belongs to the Palestinian people .

                  They have stolen land of the Palestinian people and I am completely against it .

                  What did the Palestinian people did to me ? Nothing !

                  The Palestinian people are fighting against Occupation and they have the full right to self-defense against the zionist regime .

                  Palestine has the right to armed struggle and defend itself against the zionist occupation regime .

                  https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-196558/

                  https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-184281/

                  12.“Further condemns the expansionist activities of Israel in the Middle East, as well as the continuous bombing of civilian Arab and, in particular, Palestinian populations and the destruction of their villages and encampments, which constitutes a serious obstacles to the realization of the self-determination and independence of the Palestinian people.”

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          That…should be a fairly easy thing to look up?

          It is a nationalistic pro-Israel movement that believes that Israel has claims/owns the land that belongs to Palestine. It could be further broken down into just believing that a Jewish state should exist, but it tends to be more closely related to the Israel we know of today. The movement is fundamentally rooted in the subjugation we see of the Palestinian people today.

          Israel likes to try to conflate zionism with being Jewish in general, so that they can handwave away any opposition as being antisemitic and racist. However, notably many Jewish people are themselves not Zionists. Many have been outspoken in support of Palestine in fact. Zionism has nothing really to do with racial identity.

          • Israel likes to try to conflate zionism with being Jewish in general, so that they can handwave away any opposition as being antisemitic and racist. However, notably many Jewish people are themselves not Zionists. Many have been outspoken in support of Palestine in fact. Zionism has nothing really to do with racial identity.

            Well said comrade ! 👍🏼