• xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org
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    1 day ago

    If they’re disturbing you from working, that’s an issue independent from the message they’re expressing, so freedom of expression does not apply.

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      7 hours ago

      This is a stupid distinction to make. There is no speech that doesn’t affect people materially.

      • xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org
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        4 hours ago

        That’s not what the distinction is about. The important thing is whether you want to shut them down because of what opinion they’re expressing, or how they’re expressing it.

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      1 day ago

      Ok, now I argue that the constant bombardment of misinformation and hate speech we face online and through the media clearly affects people’s ability to live their lives, and is no different than the guy talking my ear off at work.

      I’m not saying they can’t express themselves. I’m just saying that we don’t have to listen, but with the current state of things we’re being forced to listen.

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          No, but we’re on the receiving end of the consequences of those comments.

          When they come for you because they’re acting on some shit that Zuckerberg’s algorithm amplified, your shallow moralizing won’t make any difference.

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            16 hours ago

            It’s not just comments and I’m not talking just about me.

            You and I and Mel Brooks all know that the common person is a moron.

            Algorithms push misinformation. Bots push information. Are we limiting free speech by saying “you can’t use algorithms and bots to spread lies”?

            Does lying count as free speech?

            For example: I used to like Facebook for seeing what my friends are up to. It’s not that any more. I would be rid of it but I’m a freelancer and a lot of my clients insist on using it.

            Now it’s a constant feed of shit I didn’t subscribe to designed to stoke the culture war. Even the shit I did follow way back when I still used it a lot now shows me posts designed to make people argue. It’s like 5 posts I didn’t ask for to every one that did. I’m smart enough to see it, but is everyone?