• NSRXN@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      even the vegan society’s explanation page never mentions harm. i’m well-read on the theory, and utilitarianism, and you seem to be conflating it.

      edit: here

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        Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose

        You disagree that this is harm reduction? If it was the elimination of all harm no matter what, this would not be on there. I understand you believe you know more about this than the actual vegans, but you should ask them and listen.

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          exploitation and cruelty

          are only two forms of harm. it’s not about harm reduction. it’s about excluding exploitation and cruelty from your personal practice. if this somehow created more net harm, you could still be vegan.

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            I’ve repeated myself several times already. I refuse to hold your hand anymore. Ask someone else if reducing types of harm as far as is possible and practicable equates to reducing overall harm. I get the feeling you won’t ask in a vegan community because you already know what they would say to you. Drop the debatebro act and you might not get banned. No promises because I consider myself patient and I’ve already lost my patience with you.