• fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      7 hours ago

      I don’t know if you’re talking about me, but if so i am not western, and hating on MLism isn’t anti-left lmao.

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        Hating on a major branch of leftist thought isn’t technically anti-all left, but it’s still left punching. Trying to say Marxism-Leninism isn’t left is just purity testing nonsense.

        I dunno, if you consider yourself a leftist I think you’d be doing a much better service attacking right-wingers, especially now that there’s a huge rise of literal Nazis in Western countries, than attacking branches of leftism you personally disagree with. It’s entirely understandable why people would question your motives if you decide to dedicate a good portion of your personal time to anti-communism.

        • Politics doesn’t exist on a one-dimensional scale you know. These extremely authoritarian branches of leftism are to me just as detestable as right-wing authoritarianists (though clearly one is more of a present threat). But I dislike being associated with those people because they believe they somehow must be similar in ideology to me.

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            Totally going to defeat that 400 year dictatorship of capital which has only previously made concessions to workers when there was a tangible alternative system presenting some threat to theirs with an election. Keep it up. Believe in you. <3

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            Politics doesn’t really have dimensions to begin with, things like the Political Compass are just abstractions of ideas and positions that attempts (unsuccessfully, IMO) to provide shortcuts to understanding the broader image of a viewpoint.

            As an example, Marxism-Leninism and AES states espouse and implement more democratic structures, but harshly oppressed opposition from liberals, monarchists, and fascists. This is certainly “authoritarian,” but I don’t think that’s a bad use of authority. Rather, all systems and positions are “authoritarian” in different directions and towards different groups. You get where this is getting muddy and rather than clarifying, it’s actually adding more confusion?

            As a side-note, if you think Communists are “just as detestable” as Nazis, I think you need to look more critically at these movements historically. Blackshirts and Reds is a great comparison of fascism and communism historically, proving them to be completely uncomparable in terms of sheer brutality and who they served, the bourgeoisie or the proletariat, while taking a critical look at the USSR and why it dissolved.

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        Yes of course, real leftism is when you exclusively punch left and encourage spending money to highjack leftists spaces to redirect them to right wing neo liberal ones.

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          Lol. I don’t exclusively punch left so i don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, and i said it would be funny, while saying “it’s a waste of money”.

          and encourage spending money to highjack leftists spaces to redirect them to right wing neo liberal ones.

          Get a clue lmao. State capitalism isn’t leftist. Even fucking social democrats are more leftist, and that’s saying something.

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            Lol. I don’t exclusively punch left

            Your comment history disagrees.

            State capitalism isn’t leftist

            Oh but imperialist neoliberalism is? I guess “real leftism” is just Western chauvinism.

            Even fucking social democrats are more leftist

            Why? Oh right, because they’re Western

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              Your comment history disagrees.

              Okay? This is a new account anyway, i switched to it. And lemmy isn’t the only thing i use so this is just a stupid point.

              Oh but imperialist neoliberalism is? I guess “real leftism” is just Western chauvinism.

              Whataboutism. I did not say that at all lol. Fuck state-capitalism, but fuck neoliberalism more.

              Why? Oh right, because they’re Western

              Do you hear yourself? I’m not western, i have nothing to gain from praising them.

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                This is a new account anyway, i switched to it.

                Ah ok, leftism is when you name a new dedicated account for left punching.

                Whataboutism

                Lol, the classic cry of the hypocrite.

                Fuck state-capitalism, but fuck neoliberalism more.

                Says the one calling for a “state-capitalist” community to be hijacked and redirected to a neoliberal one.

                I’m not western, i have nothing to gain from praising them.

                Then you should stop doing it.

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                  Okay so i said literally none of that. This is my main account that i switched to recently, “cry of the hypocrite” = calling out fallacies lmao.

                  The reason why i hate hexbear more than .world is because one brigades, argues in bad faith, contributes absolutely nothing of value to the fediverse.

                  Then you should stop doing it.

                  Lol, Don’t recall doing so but okay.

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                    This is my main account that i switched to recently

                    Ok, leftism is when your main account is devoted to left punching.

                    calling out fallacies lmao.

                    Lol, pointing out hypocrisy isn’t actually a fallacy, much as hypocrites have desperately tried to paint it as one.

                    The reason why i hate hexbear more than .world is because one brigades

                    Lol, learn how federation works.

                    argues in bad faith

                    Lol, yeah, .world would never do that.

                    contributes absolutely nothing of value to the fediverse.

                    What a shock that you find right wing neoliberal imperialism more valuable than leftism.

                    No surprise that it turns out you were lying when you said: “Fuck state-capitalism, but fuck neoliberalism more.” Turns out you far prefer neoliberalism.

                    Lol, Don’t recall doing so but okay.

                    Should get your memory checked then.