The corporate media says Putin wants to take over the world, and Trump says Zelenskyy somehow managed to trick the US into supporting him — but the reality is that NATO’s long-term strategy of expansion towards Russia’s borders made war inevitable.

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    PSL posted this on their instagram, I regretfully admit I spent too much time making myself mad reading the comments from libs.

    One comment I did see though, which I tend to agree with, is that this post should have included much more information. They should know their (western) audience better, and included a few more slides on Maidan, Minsk Accords, etc. While nato certainly started the war, I’m not sure if this post was the correct approach to educate people on the matter.

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      It’s the catch 22 of Western Marxist posters/images. You need a snappy image to grab people’s attention, so it needs to be short and direct, but you also need to deprogram a ton of misconceptions out of your audience and inform them of some very basic historical facts, you can’t rely on them to know anything. So it needs to be very wordy to fill them in properly, but also if it is very wordy, they won’t bother to read it.

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        It’s incredible how they twist history to the complete opposite of what actually happened.

        It is a fact that the Kiev regime was massing troops on the Donetsk&Lugansk border. They were clearly preparing for an attack in late 2021, early 2022, and even the pro-Ukraine biased OSCE recorded a huge increase in shelling coming from the Ukrainian side in the weeks leading up to the SMO, clearly indicative of artillery preparation for an all-out assault. Zelensky himself is on camera as far back as 2019 effectively promising to launch a war to take back the Donbass by force.

        As for Georgia, again a complete inversion of reality from the anti-Russia propaganda narrative surrounding that conflict. It was Georgia that first attacked the Russian peacekeepers and attempted to enter South Ossetia by force. A subsequent EU investigation even admitted this! That is how undeniable that fact was. You know if there was any ambiguity allowing them to spin the facts in a way that would let them blame Russia they would have done so in that report.

        And the point about Crimea is equally ignorant of history, as Kiev did take it by force. There was already a referendum planned decades before the 2014 one, way back in 1994, when Crimeans almost voted to re-join Russia. The Ukrainian government refused to recognize the legitimacy of such a vote and essentially marched troops into Crimea to stop it. Russia at that time was too busy with its own crises and wanted good relations with Ukraine so unfortunately did/could do nothing.

        When the Maidan coup happened in 2014 many regions including Crimea refused to recognize the illegitimate US-installed fascist government. Crimea was one of them. Kiev sent its neonazi thugs to suppress the anti-Maidan protests, massacring over a hundred people just in Odessa alone. Similar violence and repression occured in Kharkov, Mariupol, and many other predominantly Russian cities. The Kiev regime eventually even sent in tanks and jets to bomb and shell the cities where the people refused to recognize the coup government.

        So tell me again how they were supposedly these peaceful innocent angels who were attacked completely unprovoked by big bad Russia?

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    It’s either join a defense union of some kind or get exploited and murdered by your russian neighbor. It’s a sad state we are in.

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      Or, you know, maybe not be a bunch of fascist turds oppressing their minorities and flinging racially based hatred their way. As for getting exploited, looks like Ukraine will be getting that without need of being conquered by Russia.

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      Belarus seems to be doing just fine without NATO. And Ukraine never had a problem with Russia either until the US decided to overthrow its elected government and install a Nazi regime hellbent on ethnically cleansing Russians.

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      do you realise that nato was involved in many offensive operations? how exactly is it a defense union

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      That is not what’s happening. Look up what was happening in the Donbass from 2014 onward.

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          Read my comment above. TL;DR: Ukraine was massing troops for an attack on the Donbass in 2022, Georgia was the aggressor in 2008, and Crimea never wanted to be part of Ukraine - it could only have remained in Ukraine after 2014 if Kiev forces invaded it and brutally put down the anti-Maidan uprising like they did Odessa, Kharkov, Mariupol, Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, and like they tried doing to Donetsk and Lugansk.

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        Yes, that and Crimea was the pre-emptive strike.

        Capitalism naturally evolves into imperialism. As capital concentrates into large monopolies, nations are driven to expand aggressively to secure profits and power. The Bush Doctrine showed this same logic by claiming that waiting to be attacked was too dangerous, so the enemy had to be destroyed preemptively using all available means.

        In simple terms, the superpowers follow similar strategies. Just as the Bush administration acted in belief it was necessary to strike first against potential threats (like weapons of mass destruction, which were never present and only for manufacturing consent) to protect its interests, Russia used a pre-emptive move in Crimea and the Donbass region to attack Ukraine before it could be NATO.

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          Just as the Bush administration believed it was necessary to strike first against potential threats (like weapons of mass destruction)

          Weapons didn’t exist so your logic falls on its face. Bush didn’t have a potential threat therefore your “strategy” wasn’t applied.

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            No, the message definitely means that the weapons were never there but I’ll edit for clarification, thanks!