It is your government. This is your head of state and the head of the US government weilding power that once belonged to Congress but ceeded to the executive branch about a hundred years ago. This man represents you.
I understand it is uncomfortable. That you wish it wasn’t so I get it… But Do not diminish this fact because these are the stakes. He is your, I repeat Your, Government. Do not wash your hands of him acting as he does because in your silence and denial he still acts on your behalf and you need so much more than silence and denial.
Stop trying to be so edgy, asshole. I didn’t ask for this, and basically nobody else on Lemmy did either simply based on user demographics. Even younger-middle-aged people have only been eligible to vote in a handful of presidential elections, and we’re fighting decades of gerrymandering, bribery, greed, and billions of dollars in corporate money propaganda campaigns. Basically all there is for me to do is vote at the polls and put my money where my mouth is, which I’m already doing. I’m not going to go out and riot and be sent to jail so I can lose everything because Walmart thought Trump would yield another half a percent to their stock prices.
When something comes up that I can do, I’ll join in, but I’m not going to have randos berate me for BS I never asked for.
Shit, I did more than a third of Americans that didn’t even vote. Suck it. Better yet, I didn’t vote to actively destroy my nation like the Republicans did.
Good luck convincing any of those two-thirds to join your side by pedaling life-destroying rhetoric.
Please do whatever you want. I’ll continue to work my own methods.
Well quite frankly nobody asked for this but we have it and we’re not the first fucking generation to have to put aome skin on the line to make the place we live habitable after everything goes to shit. If you think all you can do is wait to cash your ballot or wave a sign then I am speaking to you. It’s time to organize better and move because it is only going to get worse from here.
You are free to ignore this. You are free to go quietly. However keep your destructive apathy to yourself. More of us have to look apathy and personal disenfranchisement from the system in the eye and see it as the weight that stops any of this from ever getting better.
Yeah, because voting and refusing to support republican business is “apathy”. Good luck convincing anyone other than your own echo chamber to do more than that.
No APATHY is calling a call for further action moreso than the feather touch of resistance “being an edgelord” it’s an attempt to shame someone into less vocal rhetoric so that people take what is happening less seriously. It’s an attempt to shame people out of mobilizing.
You want to stay out of the frontline? Fine.
Move to the rear and stay out of the way of the people who are showing up People who are taking classes in collective action or medic training, showing up to protests and getting arrested or helping their neighbours with minor acts of institutional sabotage. You don’t get to shame on people taking this more seriously than you are.
We are so far beyond caring about toothless boycotts.
Get used to there being a front line because as this gets worse these mediums of communication are going to get more action driven. You think it’s overkill now but the more you get used to hearing other people calling for ACTUAL action the more you will see what it actually looks like and will know what you could be participating in. This is likely lost on you because at this point you are simply reacting to being checked.
Yesterday the US failed diplomatically at a fundemental level with allies who are key to policing the international waters and air between the USA and Russia. Don’t be fooled. It is not just a trade war, it is a softening of US defenses as well. Priorities will be changing and depending they could change faster than you expect. If this follows the patterns of other historical conflicts we will all only learn how critical our time was at this stage in hindsight.
Mmhmm, do you know what’s not lost on me? All the Trump supporters that stormed the capital, in much the same way that people around here seem to be hinting at. I don’t think they really accomplished much behind bars for the last four years. But let’s ignore all that and throw some more jabs in my direction. I’ll be here voting and figuring out what else I can do while the people here criticizing me either do nothing, or lose their right to vote after a prison sentence.
These jabs are only vaguely in your direction. I have been aiming past you to people who are not shut down. You have decided to stay sidelined which I have said at multiple points, is fine. You do you. But what you keep doing is to try, quite transparently, to discredit the seriousness with which I am taking the situation by signaling to the people around me that inaction is noble. That what I am doing is shameful… That is my only problem with how you comport yourself because otherwise even those who are useless are fairly neutral.
But you aren’t useless, you are taking this personally. You are throwing up your hands and crowing victim which is another silencing tactic well worn in circles that aim to keep the conversation going so the solve never comes. That isn’t useless behavior , it is undermining tactics. This isn’t about you. Get over yourself.
At this point this convo is so buried that the point has essentially passed so I will not continue. Goodbye.
Voting and selective consumption…. That’s the barest definition of citizenhood. Resisting an aristocracy is always going to require more than that. Not everyone can be a dedicated activist but c’mon, some perspective from history here.
I’m seeing a lot of criticism and no actionable advice whatsoever, from anybody who has responded to me. Maybe your contribution should be to educate people instead of telling them their actions aren’t good enough? Either do that or shut up, because you’re not contributing to the conversation.
You got advice to study some history from me and didn’t say -ok where to start- you just disengage from the criticism. Maybe it’s valid? Start there?
Plan, then act. Read Wikipedia about tactics and strategies for democratic development. Read about the ties between conservatism and the aristocracy for all history and realize that the only classes that matter are the workers who sell labour for money and owners who make money through control and exploitation of resources and workers.
You want to be an ally it sounds like. Well, advice to any ally of colonial resistance: decolonize your mind. Read Fanon or Zinn, e.g., or go watch old episodes of Beau of the Fifth Column or something, it depends on who you are – and you aren’t sharing that.
Canadians have been colonized by England AND the USA. The geopolitics are cultural as well. Maybe we’re justifiably touchy about people from an authoritarian colonizer complaining that we don’t trust them as much when there’s common talk in the streets about ukraining us?
Find others who are opposing fascism and work with them
This is a conversation, bud. You came in here whining about trying to dodge responsibility instead of saying “I am just a retail worker who plays DnD when I am not looking after my sister” whereupon you get help. Plus you got advice and ignored it.
Your government design and allocation of power made it so one person could do this. Trump is simply the first to flaunt the social contract this brazenly. There was no lock on the door, only a verbal agreement not to go through it.
Once this is done, once Trump is deposed the fight will not be over. Measures must be enacted to make the systems safe so that another Trump can’t do this ever again. The system is just as liable for this happening as the man himself. We need to stop thinking in terms of singular bad actors and recognize faults in system design because otherwise it is just a waiting game for the next bad actor to do just as bad or worse.
It is your government. This is your head of state and the head of the US government weilding power that once belonged to Congress but ceeded to the executive branch about a hundred years ago. This man represents you.
I understand it is uncomfortable. That you wish it wasn’t so I get it… But Do not diminish this fact because these are the stakes. He is your, I repeat Your, Government. Do not wash your hands of him acting as he does because in your silence and denial he still acts on your behalf and you need so much more than silence and denial.
Stop trying to be so edgy, asshole. I didn’t ask for this, and basically nobody else on Lemmy did either simply based on user demographics. Even younger-middle-aged people have only been eligible to vote in a handful of presidential elections, and we’re fighting decades of gerrymandering, bribery, greed, and billions of dollars in corporate money propaganda campaigns. Basically all there is for me to do is vote at the polls and put my money where my mouth is, which I’m already doing. I’m not going to go out and riot and be sent to jail so I can lose everything because Walmart thought Trump would yield another half a percent to their stock prices.
When something comes up that I can do, I’ll join in, but I’m not going to have randos berate me for BS I never asked for.
There will never be anything that convinces someone like you to take action.
Shit, I did more than a third of Americans that didn’t even vote. Suck it. Better yet, I didn’t vote to actively destroy my nation like the Republicans did.
Good luck convincing any of those two-thirds to join your side by pedaling life-destroying rhetoric.
Please do whatever you want. I’ll continue to work my own methods.
Well quite frankly nobody asked for this but we have it and we’re not the first fucking generation to have to put aome skin on the line to make the place we live habitable after everything goes to shit. If you think all you can do is wait to cash your ballot or wave a sign then I am speaking to you. It’s time to organize better and move because it is only going to get worse from here.
You are free to ignore this. You are free to go quietly. However keep your destructive apathy to yourself. More of us have to look apathy and personal disenfranchisement from the system in the eye and see it as the weight that stops any of this from ever getting better.
Yeah, because voting and refusing to support republican business is “apathy”. Good luck convincing anyone other than your own echo chamber to do more than that.
No APATHY is calling a call for further action moreso than the feather touch of resistance “being an edgelord” it’s an attempt to shame someone into less vocal rhetoric so that people take what is happening less seriously. It’s an attempt to shame people out of mobilizing.
You want to stay out of the frontline? Fine. Move to the rear and stay out of the way of the people who are showing up People who are taking classes in collective action or medic training, showing up to protests and getting arrested or helping their neighbours with minor acts of institutional sabotage. You don’t get to shame on people taking this more seriously than you are.
We are so far beyond caring about toothless boycotts.
Sir, we are posting on a Lemmy thread. There is no front line here.
Get used to there being a front line because as this gets worse these mediums of communication are going to get more action driven. You think it’s overkill now but the more you get used to hearing other people calling for ACTUAL action the more you will see what it actually looks like and will know what you could be participating in. This is likely lost on you because at this point you are simply reacting to being checked.
Yesterday the US failed diplomatically at a fundemental level with allies who are key to policing the international waters and air between the USA and Russia. Don’t be fooled. It is not just a trade war, it is a softening of US defenses as well. Priorities will be changing and depending they could change faster than you expect. If this follows the patterns of other historical conflicts we will all only learn how critical our time was at this stage in hindsight.
Mmhmm, do you know what’s not lost on me? All the Trump supporters that stormed the capital, in much the same way that people around here seem to be hinting at. I don’t think they really accomplished much behind bars for the last four years. But let’s ignore all that and throw some more jabs in my direction. I’ll be here voting and figuring out what else I can do while the people here criticizing me either do nothing, or lose their right to vote after a prison sentence.
These jabs are only vaguely in your direction. I have been aiming past you to people who are not shut down. You have decided to stay sidelined which I have said at multiple points, is fine. You do you. But what you keep doing is to try, quite transparently, to discredit the seriousness with which I am taking the situation by signaling to the people around me that inaction is noble. That what I am doing is shameful… That is my only problem with how you comport yourself because otherwise even those who are useless are fairly neutral.
But you aren’t useless, you are taking this personally. You are throwing up your hands and crowing victim which is another silencing tactic well worn in circles that aim to keep the conversation going so the solve never comes. That isn’t useless behavior , it is undermining tactics. This isn’t about you. Get over yourself.
At this point this convo is so buried that the point has essentially passed so I will not continue. Goodbye.
Voting and selective consumption…. That’s the barest definition of citizenhood. Resisting an aristocracy is always going to require more than that. Not everyone can be a dedicated activist but c’mon, some perspective from history here.
I’m seeing a lot of criticism and no actionable advice whatsoever, from anybody who has responded to me. Maybe your contribution should be to educate people instead of telling them their actions aren’t good enough? Either do that or shut up, because you’re not contributing to the conversation.
You got advice to study some history from me and didn’t say -ok where to start- you just disengage from the criticism. Maybe it’s valid? Start there?
Plan, then act. Read Wikipedia about tactics and strategies for democratic development. Read about the ties between conservatism and the aristocracy for all history and realize that the only classes that matter are the workers who sell labour for money and owners who make money through control and exploitation of resources and workers.
You want to be an ally it sounds like. Well, advice to any ally of colonial resistance: decolonize your mind. Read Fanon or Zinn, e.g., or go watch old episodes of Beau of the Fifth Column or something, it depends on who you are – and you aren’t sharing that.
Canadians have been colonized by England AND the USA. The geopolitics are cultural as well. Maybe we’re justifiably touchy about people from an authoritarian colonizer complaining that we don’t trust them as much when there’s common talk in the streets about ukraining us?
If rioting is your only tactic, you’ve lost in advance.
Sick of all the complaining. Why don’t you share some actionable advice instead venting about how I’m not doing enough to make yourself feel superior?
This is a conversation, bud. You came in here whining about trying to dodge responsibility instead of saying “I am just a retail worker who plays DnD when I am not looking after my sister” whereupon you get help. Plus you got advice and ignored it.
The government didn’t wake up one day and decide to do this, Trump did. Absent Trump this wouldn’t be happening because nobody else is this stupid.
Your government design and allocation of power made it so one person could do this. Trump is simply the first to flaunt the social contract this brazenly. There was no lock on the door, only a verbal agreement not to go through it.
Once this is done, once Trump is deposed the fight will not be over. Measures must be enacted to make the systems safe so that another Trump can’t do this ever again. The system is just as liable for this happening as the man himself. We need to stop thinking in terms of singular bad actors and recognize faults in system design because otherwise it is just a waiting game for the next bad actor to do just as bad or worse.