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Serious question, if the states did invade somewhere, whether it’s Greenland, Canada or Panama, what countries would actually be willing to use military force to stop them?
Would they end up going to China for aid?
We might find out this year.
Trump is a Russian asset. Americans have become the taliban of the West.
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The United States of America is a rogue state.
This asshole is the kind of bumbling cartoonishly psychotic politician you read about on surviving pre-bomb terminals in Fallout.
Greenland isn’t for sale, and coercion isn’t diplomacy. This will backfire internationally.
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at this point, that seems to be the goal
War on the continent and suspended elections.
Seems petty obvious.
It’s a very small population, but a very, very large piece of land.
Sounds like the king of clowntown has been looking at a Mercator projection again. It’s an easy mistake for people who don’t know what they’re talking about to make.
I stole this from reddit:
And this interest in Greenland smacks of the game of “Risk”, which might be the basis of his foreign policy.
I’m which case, he should mass forces on New Zealand.
It’s still, like, a quarter of the US landmass (eyeball measurement), which is big
The total area of Greenland is 2.1 million km², but where other countries have usable land and maybe some lakes, Greenland has 1.7 million km² of ice. There’s some land under there, but much less than you might think:
Topographic map of Greenland (Wikipedia)
The US has 9.1 million km² of actual land, so if we’re counting the ice, a quarter is about right.
oh wow, there’s a whole pond in the middle ! wonder if it’s salty
there’s a whole pond in the middle
Well yes, but actually no.
That part in the middle is land that has a miles-thick pile of ice on top of it. There’s probably not any significant amount of liquid water on that land under the ice right now, and (in the long term) there probably still wouldn’t be any liquid water on it because isostatic rebound would cause the land to lift if the ice were removed. I haven’t found any sources that definitively claim whether the magnitude of the rebound would be enough to get all of it above sea level, but my guess is that it would.
That’s mad, thanks for the link. Simply fascinating
It’s still a very large peice of land.
This has interesting maps https://youtu.be/rCBt4XgCX-0
He’s said “very very”.
Looks like it’s maybe the size of Florida? Is that about right? I’ll go look it up sometime when I have the time time time time time time time time time time time time time time.
More like a couple Texi
that made me laugh. ah, texus.
I read a reaction from a Greenlandic politician. He was mostly upset about the laugh track that followed Trump saying “incredible people”.
Watch the clip again if you didn’t notice.
It’s perfectly reasonable that they don’t want to be addressed like that. The politician went on to call it an “unacceptable human view”.
I agree. The act of the middle school bully doesn’t translate into anything remotely strong or respectable. It’s just disgusting. It doesn’t matter who or what they’re talking about, and when presenting themselves by giggles and eye-rolling, they’re really only presenting their own insecurity by hiding their disgusting views in the support of a laugh track.
I am from Denmark, which actually colonized Greenland. We have made mistakes and treated them badly in the past for sure, but never like that. We have never laughed in their faces when doing so.
NGL if the USA invades anywhere other than Russia, I’ll be enlisting for the other side.
As a Canadian, the moment tanks roll across the border I’m going feral. This is not the future we were promised in our youth. Sovereignty is non-negotiable.
As a German I will join you.
I’m with you buddy i will use the rest of my life making canada a useless wasteland before i let those fucktard take 1 inch of land
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Might I suggest buying a few cheap drones? If every Canadian had five cheap drones and access to special recipes any occupation would be costly and extremely expensive.
The only recipes I have are for muffins. I’m a terrible baker though, so that might still work.
Make the muffins using Styrofoam and gasoline.
Stuff Styrofoam in a glass container. Fill up.
When ready to bake Heat wick to 350°
^I love the smell of napalm muffins in the morning.^
Just like momma used to make when protesting animal testing!
When does it come good?
(I’m well aware that it never will come good as part of the plan.).
if the military doesnt go against trump and refuse, itll be a repeat of “just following orders”
Nah bruv, it’s probably far more effective to engage in sabotage at home.
Start with the propaganda outlets and think tanks.
That harms citizens, I’d rather just take out the armed.
No, seriously, if we get to that state, there genuinely does need to be maximum chaos. I say that as an American.
On an entirely unrelated note, I don’t think it’d be that hard to drop bunches of tinsel strands over electrical substations by drone.
You can sabotage all kinds of things that wouldn’t harm citizens. Military bases. Republican headquarters. Roads and rail used to transport military equipment.
Maybe once or twice, but not consistently. The higher value the target the higher the risks.
Lemmy’s so fkn strange, you got a downvote on this.
The Tankies get mad if the westerners don’t harm their own nations.
So you’re not wrong. But in the context of “the US invades an ally to annex their land because Trump felt like it”, protests are absolutely not going to cut the mustard.
The reality is we need resistance at home and abroad if Trump wages war against Canada/Denmark.
I’m ready to do my part. But I’ll need good ideas.
If I was single and childless I’d be more than tempted to go fight in Ukraine. That might be the most productive and objectively noble thing anyone could do right now to stop Putin and maybe, by extension, the US.
IDK. Luigi did a lot and didn’t have to leave the US to do it.
But over there shooting bad people is legal.
If the only thing stopping you from shooting people is the law then you may not be as good as you think you are
I was tempted but Ukraine made a public statement that they need armaments, not untrained fighters.
You could do more damage as fifth column resistance from the inside, but enlisting on the opposite side would be easier.
Yuuuup
Me too, but why can’t we invade anywhere warm?
That sounds like a declaration of war
A threat of war, sure. But you don’t declare war like that clip of “declaring” bankruptcy. Even with all the wars the US has started, the last one declared was in 1942. Until Congress formally declares war, or troops start to move in, it’s still just a threat.
That said, it is a threat that everyone should take very seriously.
Well then the concept of declaration of war you’re presenting is worth jack shit since the US has ravaged countries for decades after 1942
All it means is that congress’ approval is not needed to wage war, so this threat is way closer to a declaration than what you estimate
This is true, but I’m unclear on what the last authorization of force – that was hastily passed by Congress during whatever crisis or whatever lull between crises preemptively – authorizes the prezzy to do without a war declaration.
Congress has continually abdicated its position as a co-equal branch of government.
This dumb fuck is trying to speed run WW3 for no other reason than to suck up to his man crush…that bitch putin
This shit show brought to you be the American voter, who pissed away 80 years of good will and American economic dominance out of sheer stupidity. Make Russia an Empire Again!
You know, you could always just buy their raw materials.
Danish special forces are watching you…
Who do you think trained them?
The danish military. Side note, the USA does their cold weather training in Norway in terrain that local civilians ski/hike recreationally, and in temperatures that are significantly higher than those in Greenland. You are right that there is an exchange of expertise in NATO, but it’s the Scandinavians that do the training when it comes to cold weather / mountain warfare. The USA’s specialty is urban counterinsurgency and bombing Africans.
US had and still may have bases on Greenland.
Ukraine was the Sudetenland, but I didn’t expect like this.
