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Yeah we broke the majority last year
I has no sympathy towards the genocidal ideology of zionism.
But I’m definitely sympathic to people who are born in palestine and resist the ongoing genocide, ethnic cleansing, etc. That’s brave regardless of their “religion” or lack thereof.
Religion is a virus that infects both sides. Tragic, but neither is better than the other to me. Israel have been more brutal lately but let’s not pretend the Palestinians wouldn’t be doing the same given the upper hand. Their ideology makes them both evil.
but let’s not pretend the Palestinians wouldn’t be doing the same given the upper hand.
They lived in peace for hundreds of years before the zionist settler-colonial project. So there’s no evidence that the victims of Zionism can be equated with their oppressors, just because “all religion bad”.
Muslim countries historically have been far kinder to their religious minorities than any european one also.
Where are the Jewish communities that existed for millennia in these countries? Ask the coptics how they feel, ask the Kurds. I’m not trying to defend Israel by any means, but it’s disingenuous af to claim the region was some bastion of tolerance and understanding.
It’s not like the Palestinians welcomed them into their homes in the 1930s and 40s, surely not! Religion bad! Go back to reddit you fucking rat
Still too high but it isn’t easy to undo decades of brainwashing
Brainwashing or just nasty people?
Extreme, overt brainwashing.
Human psyche is susceptible to manipulation.
It mostly works on people already bigoted and hateful, I think. A decent person may have inaccurate picture, but indecent people support it more
It’s a chicken and egg situation. Do terrible people support zionism? Or does zionism make people terrible? I’m pretty sure it’s the second option. People of all religions (especially civil religion) are brainwashed into this cult from birth.
I think it’s all part of the child abuse cycle; people manipulated and humiliated while young, without a person to speak up for them, tend to support these types of things. And a lot of their children will too.
But those who had more nurturing and love tend to not support ideologies which dehumanize, and can recognize more when something promotes senseless violence. They are also more decent adults.
but unlike most of the other cults; people who escape from this cult are not popularly heeded.
Many people still think “both sides” though
Wdym? The ICC issued arrest warrants for leaders on both sides due to crimes against humanity.
Both sides are terrorists, except one side includes civilians and the other side forces everyone in their population to become armed terrorists
Palestinians fighting for their homes, and their right to exist, are not terrorists. We should not let the ICC or any “official” body dictate morality for us; we know the Palestinian cause is a just one.
What I mean is one side is having their homes bombed and lives uprooted (or just lost altogether) while the other side watches from the side lines. Innocent civilians killed in the streets. Women, children, actual babies killed for money. Disgusting
What are these “sides” comprised of in your mind? Who specifically are you accusing of being a “terrorist”? In Palestine - the entire population? The ruling political party “Hamas”? The militarized subset of it, the “Al Qassam brigades?” Or only the specific members thereof who engaged in war crimes at any point - the few of that group who are still alive? What definition of “terrorism” are you using - the “using violence to influence political opinions” which characterizes every government that’s ever engaged in war? The Palestinian people have had their country stolen and have been corralled off from the surrounding world by a military occupier in the tiny subset of it that remains - they have a legal right to self-defense, and the very existence of “Israel” as a state has come at the cost of the absolute violation of their sovereignty and human rights, solely to impose the imaginary, invented sovereignty of an immigrating colonizing population, that was hoisted on them against their will by another colonizer (the British). Using the word “terrorist” used in this context is insane. It seems to hinge on the relationship of Hamas with Islamism, which isn’t even absolute, because it’s a pluralist, “big tent” party. Beyond there, what, it’s based on them having darker skin or being Muslim, which is what that word evokes for the more brainwashed Americans anyway. Rather, armed resistance in their case - as much as we’d all like to avoid violence of any kind - is legally sanctioned self-defense against a militarily aggressive entity, who has their territory and people under military occupation.
You need to educate yourself more on this topic and clarify your thinking.
Yes
Pump those numbers down. Those are rookie numbers.
And this is a country whose people have been fed heavily pro-Israel propaganda since the day they were born. What does the rest of the world think ?
I guess that’s what happens when you’re a piece of shit like Isreal seems to be.
Hey, that’s not nice, the shit is insulted…
No but really, the Israeli government is absolutely the shit of shits.
Fascism is unpopular. 🙁
Sadly, i’m not so sure that is true these days
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sure, ill take it but “less than half” doesnt sound very promising.
Probably even less when they see that despicable tiktok trend of the young Israelis laughing at the Palestinian children. Also, the issue was really only cared about when it meant some people could pretend to have a moral reason to not vote for a woman.
You had me in the first half. Then you just had to moralize about genocide not being a valid red-line for you.
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Shut up you ignorant fool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_women_heads_of_state_and_government
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I think that your point confuses islamic state with a muslim majority state. While almost all muslim majority states allow women to vote(even though some only quite recently like saudis), islamic state would be different. This is of course same for any fundamentalist state like a jewish one or christian one. They are incompatible with democracy.
You know sometimes you can’t articulate an idea but then somehow that one person gets what you meant,even though it was mostly jibberish. Well thank you kind stranger. I’m taking my drunk ass to bed lol.
Not sure why that’s relevant, but:
The first democratically elected female prime minister of a Muslim majority country was Benazir Bhutto of Pakistan, who led her party to victory in the 1988 general election and later in 1993
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Weaponizing ignorance to justify genocide. Here’s another list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_women_heads_of_state_and_government
I’m not justifying genocide. That’s your team politics religious brainwashing hallucinating and triggering you.
Imagine believing that islamophobia isn’t a fundamental factor in genociding muslims.
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Imagine believing replacing one abrahamic religion with another is a logical solution. 😂
…do you not know where Bosnia and Herzegovina is? It’s a coastal post-Yugo country next to Serbia and Croatia, south of Hungary IIRC. The Bosnian war and NATO intervention isn’t exactly secret knowledge.
Very cool for your 1 country
The USA (the country in question) has zero (0) women presidents elected ever. Not even one. So yeah imma stop reading this conversation lol
Lots of words never mention Europe. Who said I was from the USA?
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So what are they going to do? This is what happens when you prop up & support ethno religious states. Don’t want it then stop supporting Israel’s existence.
The problem isn’t that Israel is an ethno-religious state, it’s that it’s a genocidal, apartheid, settler-colonial state imposing itself on someone else’s land, and it’s trying to ethnically cleanse that land of its indigenous peoples, and it’s trying to expand its territory into a “Greater Israel,” extending its project of ethnic cleansing ever wider.
Orrrrr, now hear me out, we ratchet up the propaganda, black listing, and police responses to protests. Eh?
You can support Israel without supporting what they’re doing.
Edit: the state of Israel
What would “support” look like in this case? How do you ensure that support isn’t weaponised and used to promote genocide?
How do you ensure the alternative doesn’t?
So you can’t answer the question
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You want the genocidal dictator to “step down” and the genocidal terrorist army “needs reform”?
You’re not even trying, man. At least try to make it seem like you actually believe your “both sides” hasbara. Ass is, we can all see that you’re a rabid genocidal Zionist.
Ethnostates are never necessary and are always fascist.
Absence of support of Israel isn’t the same thing as antisemitism, no matter what they’d like you to believe. I have no particular views regarding Ecuador, that doesn’t mean I’m racist against them.
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No, you really can’t: the nature of a thing is what it does
Israel is what it is doing. It was founded on settler colonialism and ethnic cleansing.
If you are aware of what they are doing, and you provide support to them, that is therefore knowingly providing support to their actions, whether you agree with those actions or not.
Or, if you just meant ‘agree with’ rather than ‘supply’, then I would say that what they’re doing is not something they will ever stop. It’s an integral part of their existence as an imperial Zionist state, they aren’t just doing it for fun, or because of some ‘bad apples’. They have no plan or desire to stop, their history is mostly just this same type of war and besieging repeated, and the USA would probably abandon them and let them collapse if they miraculously did decide to stop, because the US imperial strategy only values the Zionist Regime as a attack dog in the Middle East, a region critical for resource control.
A lot of words to say, it might as well be supporting guns without supporting bullets. There is no realistic situation where guns won’t be used to shoot bullets. They can’t be separated, in reality. Why support guns, at that point? It’s just a comfortable abstract idea in a vacuum.
The name Israel was chosen by the Zionist movement for a reason & reflects what they are doing. By keeping the name, you’re enabling/supporting them.
You can support israelis by sending them back to Poland or to hell.
It should read “zionists” not “Israeli” - for multiple obvious reasons.
A large portion of US zionists are white Christians who have no connections to the middle east other than their doomsday prophecy.
