More Americans express sympathy for the Israelis (46%) than the Palestinians (33%) in the Middle East situation, but the margin has shrunk to a new low.
Brainwashing. Trying to understand the Palestine- Israel situation was something I casually worked at, off and on, for twelve years, which is 1000x more effort than most Americans put into it. I’d get about six hours into trying to untangle the propaganda and get what I felt was an accurate portrayal of the truth using what I felt were high factuality, unbiased sources and just get nowhere. I got as far as understanding that Israel is an authoritarian police/ethnostate, but I never had so clear of a picture of the situation as I do now. Israel has removed all doubt for me that they’re proudly undertaking a project of genocide.
Most people have a very surface level understanding of various political issues. There’s only so many hours in a day, and people choose to use them in different ways. I can’t really blame them for that. I also can’t blame them for the fact that we’re probably one of the most heavily propagandized peoples on earth, with Fox and the right wing news networks being the crowning jewel of such. I can see how it’d be easy to take your infotainment of Jesse Waters smugly “owning” Nancy Pelosi over some stupid fucking bullshit she said or did without ever hearing a real dissenting voice and just stop there. I can’t agree with it, but a lot of the normies I know have made it clear to me that I’m a special case in that regard.
All I know is that if I can blame the average Russian, German, Brit, Serbian, Hutu etc for bad things in history. No force on earth is going to have me give Americans a pass. Especially after the majority of them supported the wars in the Middle East.
It’s a genocide, the clues are everywhere. It’s not an American thing that makes it unique. There are shitty people everywhere mixed in with decent folks.
And it’s fine to not protest or just be quiet. Sometimes that is all one can do. It’s ok to think one is powerless to oppose such things. This is the case for many.
But actual support that is voluntary? No
And I think there is some overlap between our two views. Many of the people who I would give a pass to, are many of the people you talk about
It’s a chicken and egg situation. Do terrible people support zionism? Or does zionism make people terrible? I’m pretty sure it’s the second option. People of all religions (especially civil religion) are brainwashed into this cult from birth.
I think it’s all part of the child abuse cycle; people manipulated and humiliated while young, without a person to speak up for them, tend to support these types of things. And a lot of their children will too.
But those who had more nurturing and love tend to not support ideologies which dehumanize, and can recognize more when something promotes senseless violence. They are also more decent adults.
Still too high but it isn’t easy to undo decades of brainwashing
Brainwashing or just nasty people?
Brainwashing. Trying to understand the Palestine- Israel situation was something I casually worked at, off and on, for twelve years, which is 1000x more effort than most Americans put into it. I’d get about six hours into trying to untangle the propaganda and get what I felt was an accurate portrayal of the truth using what I felt were high factuality, unbiased sources and just get nowhere. I got as far as understanding that Israel is an authoritarian police/ethnostate, but I never had so clear of a picture of the situation as I do now. Israel has removed all doubt for me that they’re proudly undertaking a project of genocide.
No doubt about the genocide.
Maybe I am unfairly judging Americans who support Israel or look down on Palestinians.
But I have so much anger about that I cannot be impartial. Most Americans have had hints they ignore, deliberately. I can’t forgive that
Most people have a very surface level understanding of various political issues. There’s only so many hours in a day, and people choose to use them in different ways. I can’t really blame them for that. I also can’t blame them for the fact that we’re probably one of the most heavily propagandized peoples on earth, with Fox and the right wing news networks being the crowning jewel of such. I can see how it’d be easy to take your infotainment of Jesse Waters smugly “owning” Nancy Pelosi over some stupid fucking bullshit she said or did without ever hearing a real dissenting voice and just stop there. I can’t agree with it, but a lot of the normies I know have made it clear to me that I’m a special case in that regard.
All I know is that if I can blame the average Russian, German, Brit, Serbian, Hutu etc for bad things in history. No force on earth is going to have me give Americans a pass. Especially after the majority of them supported the wars in the Middle East.
It’s a genocide, the clues are everywhere. It’s not an American thing that makes it unique. There are shitty people everywhere mixed in with decent folks.
And it’s fine to not protest or just be quiet. Sometimes that is all one can do. It’s ok to think one is powerless to oppose such things. This is the case for many.
But actual support that is voluntary? No
And I think there is some overlap between our two views. Many of the people who I would give a pass to, are many of the people you talk about
Extreme, overt brainwashing.
Human psyche is susceptible to manipulation.
It mostly works on people already bigoted and hateful, I think. A decent person may have inaccurate picture, but indecent people support it more
It’s a chicken and egg situation. Do terrible people support zionism? Or does zionism make people terrible? I’m pretty sure it’s the second option. People of all religions (especially civil religion) are brainwashed into this cult from birth.
I think it’s all part of the child abuse cycle; people manipulated and humiliated while young, without a person to speak up for them, tend to support these types of things. And a lot of their children will too.
But those who had more nurturing and love tend to not support ideologies which dehumanize, and can recognize more when something promotes senseless violence. They are also more decent adults.
but unlike most of the other cults; people who escape from this cult are not popularly heeded.