Have you seen how fast computers turn on these days (from complete shutdowns)? It’s 2-3 seconds (if hibernation is completely off). Barely an inconvenience - specially not one worth risking the pc turning on by itself on random times.
I mean since the advent of SSDs I’ve not found the boot times of computers to be all that slow and I typically quite like coming back to a clean desktop on a new day rather than having junk from yesterday being thrown at me.
Even if the boot time is fast, you lose a lot of the program states. Not only it takes extra time to load those applications, it’s also a fair amount of effort to put everything back where it should be.
If it was necessary to shut computers down, no problem, it’s not too much time and effort. But there’s normally no need to shut computers down, it’s just wasted time with no benefits (usually).
yeah if ur working on something you should sleep the computer, but if you’re working with, like, one app, or if youre not working on anything, i see no reason not to shutdown ur pc
sure? i could bring the same argument back to you:
why wouldn’t you shut it down? so that you can wait a couple of seconds less?
there’s basically no difference. it only depends on what you’re used to doing and maybe if you care about the little electricity that’s being used constantly for little to no reason
But you can’t bring the same argument back to me. Cold booting requires more time and effort. Thus to make that argument, one needs to provide the benefits that compensate for the downsides. Some people provided possible benefits that matter to their specific case, like, PSU makes noise (actually, that was you in a different thread), or they want to save laptop battery, etc. But if we are taking about a modern stationary computer with mains power, there’s practically no benefit to shutting it down, only downsides.
Of course it’s completely valid for somebody to do it out of habit, but they can’t expect to use that as a valid argument for others to do it.
the more time and effort is like, literally a couple of seconds for most pcs, unless it has a hard drive
for now i kind of have to turn my pc off all the time because the roof has a couple of leaks right on top of where my stuff is and it could rain at any time. when i move i’ll probably keep turning it off though, as i always turn it on and go and get something to eat, so boot time makes no difference, and i just personally hate it when it turns on from any key press
It’s definitely not just a couple of seconds, unless you have a very lightweight OS and only 1 or 2 apps to work with. And no matter how little extra time it takes to cold boot the system, there’s still no benefit to doing it that way, so no matter how little that time is, it’s still wasted.
As I mentioned, one is free to use their computer however they wish, but it doesn’t make it not wasteful to shut it down. If grabbing something to eat was part of my daily routine, I’d grab it beforehand, instead of needlessly going back and forth, wake the computer and use it immediately.
I was mostly talking about stationary computers, but even in case of a laptop (unless it runs Windows which has terrible sleep management) the benefits of starting your work immediately once you open the lid outweighs the cons of losing a couple percent of battery overnight.
Firstly, I normally have way more than two apps open. And secondly, in case of a few apps, I personally still value the couple minutes of my time more than I do 2% of my battery. But to each their own.
If you have a watercooled system getting less hours on the pump is always good, especially with a cheaper AIO.
Also not all pumps are completely quiet when in sleep
i mean, i used to have an old power supply that made a pretty loud high pitched noise constantly so i had to always turn the switch to go to sleep. maybe they have something similar in the motherboard
For me the only thing I needed to “put back where it should be” was my VPN. Bu I switched to wireguard from Eddie, so now I don’t need to adjust anything on startup
Why would you? Sleep uses so little power and the resume is instant.
If it wasn’t for S0 standby being such a piece of shit I’d never shutdown my computer unless it was for an update or hardware maintenance.
Have you seen how fast computers turn on these days (from complete shutdowns)? It’s 2-3 seconds (if hibernation is completely off). Barely an inconvenience - specially not one worth risking the pc turning on by itself on random times.
I mean since the advent of SSDs I’ve not found the boot times of computers to be all that slow and I typically quite like coming back to a clean desktop on a new day rather than having junk from yesterday being thrown at me.
Even if the boot time is fast, you lose a lot of the program states. Not only it takes extra time to load those applications, it’s also a fair amount of effort to put everything back where it should be.
If it was necessary to shut computers down, no problem, it’s not too much time and effort. But there’s normally no need to shut computers down, it’s just wasted time with no benefits (usually).
yeah if ur working on something you should sleep the computer, but if you’re working with, like, one app, or if youre not working on anything, i see no reason not to shutdown ur pc
Even if it’s only one app, what is the purpose? To save on electricity that powers RAM?
sure? i could bring the same argument back to you:
why wouldn’t you shut it down? so that you can wait a couple of seconds less?
there’s basically no difference. it only depends on what you’re used to doing and maybe if you care about the little electricity that’s being used constantly for little to no reason
But you can’t bring the same argument back to me. Cold booting requires more time and effort. Thus to make that argument, one needs to provide the benefits that compensate for the downsides. Some people provided possible benefits that matter to their specific case, like, PSU makes noise (actually, that was you in a different thread), or they want to save laptop battery, etc. But if we are taking about a modern stationary computer with mains power, there’s practically no benefit to shutting it down, only downsides.
Of course it’s completely valid for somebody to do it out of habit, but they can’t expect to use that as a valid argument for others to do it.
the more time and effort is like, literally a couple of seconds for most pcs, unless it has a hard drive
for now i kind of have to turn my pc off all the time because the roof has a couple of leaks right on top of where my stuff is and it could rain at any time. when i move i’ll probably keep turning it off though, as i always turn it on and go and get something to eat, so boot time makes no difference, and i just personally hate it when it turns on from any key press
It’s definitely not just a couple of seconds, unless you have a very lightweight OS and only 1 or 2 apps to work with. And no matter how little extra time it takes to cold boot the system, there’s still no benefit to doing it that way, so no matter how little that time is, it’s still wasted.
As I mentioned, one is free to use their computer however they wish, but it doesn’t make it not wasteful to shut it down. If grabbing something to eat was part of my daily routine, I’d grab it beforehand, instead of needlessly going back and forth, wake the computer and use it immediately.
Well yes why not save that battery power
I was mostly talking about stationary computers, but even in case of a laptop (unless it runs Windows which has terrible sleep management) the benefits of starting your work immediately once you open the lid outweighs the cons of losing a couple percent of battery overnight.
Why would you loose that couple percent of battery if boot time is fast and only have two apps for the work
Firstly, I normally have way more than two apps open. And secondly, in case of a few apps, I personally still value the couple minutes of my time more than I do 2% of my battery. But to each their own.
Make it quiet so I can go to sleep
But a sleeping computer is just as quiet as a shut down computer… Which is totally silent. I don’t get it.
If you have a watercooled system getting less hours on the pump is always good, especially with a cheaper AIO. Also not all pumps are completely quiet when in sleep
I used to have a watercooled PC, I don’t remember it making any sounds while in sleep. Why would the pump run when PC is asleep?
i mean, i used to have an old power supply that made a pretty loud high pitched noise constantly so i had to always turn the switch to go to sleep. maybe they have something similar in the motherboard
For me the only thing I needed to “put back where it should be” was my VPN. Bu I switched to wireguard from Eddie, so now I don’t need to adjust anything on startup
See I want all the junk from yesterday.
Because a laptop waking from sleep while in a bag is a fire hazard.
If S0 standby wasn’t so shit, or we could go back to old reliable S1-3 that wouldn’t be an issue.
Just like the brain computers need off-time to calm their electrons and unflip their bits.
/s but a lot of issues really are solved by a reboot