Yeah that’s why I made sure to say “majority,” but even that could just be my confirmation bias since the loudest 2A supporters are right wingers; I’ve never looked into how many left leaning people are also gun-owners but yes, I know they exist (and I have been thinking about becoming one of them).
Left wing gun owners don’t brag about their guns in general. For the most part the left wing really really abhors violence, until they don’t, then it’s door to door firing squads for the whole family. Because by the time you reach that point, they’ve been violently forced into organizing a reaction.
Again, if the second amendment was ANY threat to the govenrment, it would have been repealed.
Again, what are your assault rifles, your NRA training, and your screaming of “WILDCATS” going to do against drones? Or a police force that literally have tanks?
Tanks need fuel, drivers, and ways to cross rivers, drones have limited range and don’t see inside buildings. Roads, power, and water are pressure points. You don’t stand up to a stronger military force, you make it too expensive to operate, never being there when sudden things happen. That’s why IEDs were the biggest problem in Iraq and Afghanistan. No one to chase, everyone is a suspect, all enforcement has to operate at maximum alert, always.
Tanks need fuel, drivers, and ways to cross rivers,
So, in your heroic Call of Duty wet dream you are also going to use the AR-15 you bought at Walmart to destroy every single bridge in the continental US?
drones have limited range and don’t see inside buildings.
“We received reports that there were insurgents hiding inside of that hospital posing as doctors so we bombed the fuck out of them.”
Roads, power, and water are pressure points
Transformers are definitely a thing that can be taken out by a few stray bullets… and increasingly have those microphone set ups to track who shot at them.
See above regarding how you are apparently going to engage in a mass bombing effort to take out all of the infrastructure and the implied mockery.
you make it too expensive to operate,
So… just to check. Your genius plan is that you will make it too expensive for the US government to operate in the United States and then expect said US government to pull out of the… US?
You are assuming a level of omniscience to our police and military that they only dream of actually having. And if you think the US population will put up with their own military, turning their own cities into Gaza, you would be very mistaken.
I mean, our government’s track record fighting guerrilla insurgencies isnt spotless.
Ah. I see. So you and your militia buddies are going to escape to the mountain caves of… Chicago?
Also, we hunted and murdered many terrorist cells based on something as simple as a magazine on a desk. There is an entire genre of Influencer built around playing “geo guesser” to track things to within a 5 meter radius based off a single picture.
And that all ignores just how many cameras there are in this country. They won’t need to wait until a satelite is overhead to have Abby and McGee hack your location. They’ll just run a simple algorithm that will track you via all the traffic cameras and then tell Ubiquiti and Google to give them doorbell cameras to track you back to your house in the suburbs. This is why basically anyone with half a brain is strongly opposed to police chases. All it does is escalate the situation and increase risk to civilians. Instead? Just track them and roll up on them when they go to sleep that night.
At which point, we are back to what the “right to bear arms” actually gets you. Time for a bit of a history lesson!
Back when the Constitution was written, muskets were the name of the game with the new hotness being rifled barrels that gave a bit more precision to those. And, as America learned first hand, a well trained military could borderline handle an order of magnitude more poorly trained farmers (the opening battles of the US Revolutionary War are actually really fascinating for how unstoppable the Redcoats were). So if a group got too uppety? Send in the military and they would break.
Fast forward to The Wild West where people had revolvers, lever actions, and even some semi auto weaponry. That was incredibly useful for letting law enforcement ignore large swathes of the country (“You have the right to bear arms. You defend yourself”) and had the added benefit of giving Pinkertons and the like legal justification. And, again, when people got too uppety: Heavily armed “US Marshalls” and the military were called in to put them down.
There WAS a brief window where small groups of (generally military trained) individuals with Thompsons and BARs were a significant threat. But shortly thereafter the modern AR-15 style assault rifles were “invented” and trained military (and snipers) once again could dominate any actual clash.
Because people think this is going to be Die Hard where they walk up to the leader of the fascists and exchange quips before quick drawing, killing one guy, and winning the war. The reality is that we are looking at police tanks ramming through walls, buildings getting riddled with machine gun fire, and explosives raining down if things get too “risky”.
People think of when those rednecks took over Malheur a few years back and think that is how it will play out. That only worked because it was white people that the cops like. What they SHOULD look at is things like Waco where the government decided “Fuck it, we ball” and unloaded and massacred dozens of children while showing just how little the second amendment matters.
I’m not sure if you know this, but the left looks the same as the right. And as Canadians. If you think they will be able to find all of us, let alone kidnap and kill us all, you’re sorely mistaken. People can perform partisan actions and disappear into mist. Sure they find sole actors now after a while and a lot of concerted effort, but now imagine there are a few hundred of those events all over the country? If you think they would win or even be able to fight a true guerilla war on American soil, you’re delusional. Even with the brown shirts who would be willing to help, you’d have just as many that refuse and possibly switch sides.
I am not familiar enough with Canadian surveillance to have an opinion there which is why I specifically did not mention that side. I also fully agree they will have a lot more civilian support (again, the part people forget about when masturbating over the idea of shooting someone with a gun) which would mean any actions would be closer to “wipe out the neighborhood” than rolling up because some white lady submitted a tip.
But once even the Canadian special forces (who are god damned terrifying) cross over to the US side? All the same surveillance is against them. Quick border strikes will likely work as they’ll be back on the Canadian side fairly quickly. Any deeper attack involves navigating US streets which involves navigating US camera systems. And it is pretty trivial to automate the tracking of the group who shot up a military base until they “disappear” into the forest on the side of the interstate… and then wait with cameras in any place they are likely to return (while sending drones to sweep the area).
With a LOT of time spent evading? Yeah, people who are sufficiently trained (so not the weekend warriors on the gun range… which is also much less of a thing in Canada because of sane-ish gun control laws) can spend significant amounts of time evading and even bivvying. But that then means the “reign of terror” operations become few and far between.
The 2A is there for a reason. This is the first time it’s legitimately been needed.
That was to maintain a state-sponsored militia to put down slave insurrections and to catch escaped slaves.
Unfortunately the majority of its users appear to all be brownshirts in waiting.
Not all. And there are plenty of ways to defend a protest from the police without guns.
Yeah that’s why I made sure to say “majority,” but even that could just be my confirmation bias since the loudest 2A supporters are right wingers; I’ve never looked into how many left leaning people are also gun-owners but yes, I know they exist (and I have been thinking about becoming one of them).
Left wing gun owners don’t brag about their guns in general. For the most part the left wing really really abhors violence, until they don’t, then it’s door to door firing squads for the whole family. Because by the time you reach that point, they’ve been violently forced into organizing a reaction.
Again, if the second amendment was ANY threat to the govenrment, it would have been repealed.
Again, what are your assault rifles, your NRA training, and your screaming of “WILDCATS” going to do against drones? Or a police force that literally have tanks?
Tanks need fuel, drivers, and ways to cross rivers, drones have limited range and don’t see inside buildings. Roads, power, and water are pressure points. You don’t stand up to a stronger military force, you make it too expensive to operate, never being there when sudden things happen. That’s why IEDs were the biggest problem in Iraq and Afghanistan. No one to chase, everyone is a suspect, all enforcement has to operate at maximum alert, always.
So, in your heroic Call of Duty wet dream you are also going to use the AR-15 you bought at Walmart to destroy every single bridge in the continental US?
“We received reports that there were insurgents hiding inside of that hospital posing as doctors so we bombed the fuck out of them.”
Transformers are definitely a thing that can be taken out by a few stray bullets… and increasingly have those microphone set ups to track who shot at them.
See above regarding how you are apparently going to engage in a mass bombing effort to take out all of the infrastructure and the implied mockery.
So… just to check. Your genius plan is that you will make it too expensive for the US government to operate in the United States and then expect said US government to pull out of the… US?
You are assuming a level of omniscience to our police and military that they only dream of actually having. And if you think the US population will put up with their own military, turning their own cities into Gaza, you would be very mistaken.
i plan to sashay a little while screaming “WILDCATS” and hopefully the operator will die of embarrassment.
I mean, our government’s track record fighting guerrilla insurgencies isnt spotless.
I’m not sure it’ll happen, but civilians could absolutely be a significant threat to both LE and military regardless of the gap in arms/tech.
Ah. I see. So you and your militia buddies are going to escape to the mountain caves of… Chicago?
Also, we hunted and murdered many terrorist cells based on something as simple as a magazine on a desk. There is an entire genre of Influencer built around playing “geo guesser” to track things to within a 5 meter radius based off a single picture.
And that all ignores just how many cameras there are in this country. They won’t need to wait until a satelite is overhead to have Abby and McGee hack your location. They’ll just run a simple algorithm that will track you via all the traffic cameras and then tell Ubiquiti and Google to give them doorbell cameras to track you back to your house in the suburbs. This is why basically anyone with half a brain is strongly opposed to police chases. All it does is escalate the situation and increase risk to civilians. Instead? Just track them and roll up on them when they go to sleep that night.
At which point, we are back to what the “right to bear arms” actually gets you. Time for a bit of a history lesson!
Back when the Constitution was written, muskets were the name of the game with the new hotness being rifled barrels that gave a bit more precision to those. And, as America learned first hand, a well trained military could borderline handle an order of magnitude more poorly trained farmers (the opening battles of the US Revolutionary War are actually really fascinating for how unstoppable the Redcoats were). So if a group got too uppety? Send in the military and they would break.
Fast forward to The Wild West where people had revolvers, lever actions, and even some semi auto weaponry. That was incredibly useful for letting law enforcement ignore large swathes of the country (“You have the right to bear arms. You defend yourself”) and had the added benefit of giving Pinkertons and the like legal justification. And, again, when people got too uppety: Heavily armed “US Marshalls” and the military were called in to put them down.
There WAS a brief window where small groups of (generally military trained) individuals with Thompsons and BARs were a significant threat. But shortly thereafter the modern AR-15 style assault rifles were “invented” and trained military (and snipers) once again could dominate any actual clash.
Because people think this is going to be Die Hard where they walk up to the leader of the fascists and exchange quips before quick drawing, killing one guy, and winning the war. The reality is that we are looking at police tanks ramming through walls, buildings getting riddled with machine gun fire, and explosives raining down if things get too “risky”.
People think of when those rednecks took over Malheur a few years back and think that is how it will play out. That only worked because it was white people that the cops like. What they SHOULD look at is things like Waco where the government decided “Fuck it, we ball” and unloaded and massacred dozens of children while showing just how little the second amendment matters.
And they’re full of shit. Don’t believe everything you see online. Not even this.
I’m not sure if you know this, but the left looks the same as the right. And as Canadians. If you think they will be able to find all of us, let alone kidnap and kill us all, you’re sorely mistaken. People can perform partisan actions and disappear into mist. Sure they find sole actors now after a while and a lot of concerted effort, but now imagine there are a few hundred of those events all over the country? If you think they would win or even be able to fight a true guerilla war on American soil, you’re delusional. Even with the brown shirts who would be willing to help, you’d have just as many that refuse and possibly switch sides.
I am not familiar enough with Canadian surveillance to have an opinion there which is why I specifically did not mention that side. I also fully agree they will have a lot more civilian support (again, the part people forget about when masturbating over the idea of shooting someone with a gun) which would mean any actions would be closer to “wipe out the neighborhood” than rolling up because some white lady submitted a tip.
But once even the Canadian special forces (who are god damned terrifying) cross over to the US side? All the same surveillance is against them. Quick border strikes will likely work as they’ll be back on the Canadian side fairly quickly. Any deeper attack involves navigating US streets which involves navigating US camera systems. And it is pretty trivial to automate the tracking of the group who shot up a military base until they “disappear” into the forest on the side of the interstate… and then wait with cameras in any place they are likely to return (while sending drones to sweep the area).
With a LOT of time spent evading? Yeah, people who are sufficiently trained (so not the weekend warriors on the gun range… which is also much less of a thing in Canada because of sane-ish gun control laws) can spend significant amounts of time evading and even bivvying. But that then means the “reign of terror” operations become few and far between.