• tryplot@kbin.social
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    90
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    1 year ago

    as we hear more politicians talk about universal basic income, it’s important to remember, Monopoly has a universal basic income in it (passing GO). it’s better than not having it, but capitalism is still unsustainable, even with UBI.

  • Square Singer@feddit.de
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    72
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    1 year ago

    And do you also know why this is the case?

    Because Monopoly originally was two games. One that basically works like Monopoly, with the outcome described in the the post, and another one, the “anti-monopolist” version was based on the concept of just paying tax for the land you own, which makes it more expensive for one person to own a lot of the board. This version never ended.

    Elisabeth Magie created the game (called “The Landlord’s Game”) with these two rule sets to teach people about Georgism, which is a system in which tax is only raised on the land you own. It should show people that a system leading to monopoles is bad, and Georgism is good.

    Then the Parker Brothers bought the rights to the game from someone who didn’t own them, dropped the Georgism version and sold it with a rich, fat, old, white man on the covers who swims in money and is super happy, which kinda teaches exactly the opposite that Elisabeth Magie intended.

    Then they used their position in the market to crowd out all the other versions of that game.

    A truely American story, once the Parker Brothers entered the game -.-

    • Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      15
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      It also had a second rule set, whereby a land value tax (LVT) — one of the most central proposed policies of Georgism — is implemented and the winning condition is when everybody attains a certain level of wealth. A game of mutual prosperity, rather than crabs in a bucket with winner-takes-all.

      And although LVT is the most central proposed policy of Georgism, Georgists also advocate for carbon taxes (and other taxes on negative externalities), severance taxes on finite natural resources like oil or minerals, intellectual property (IP) reform, and eliminating barriers to entry. (It should be noted that Georgists want to replace bad/inefficient taxes like sales, income, and property taxes with LVT, externality (aka Pigouvian), and severance taxes.)

      As for why LVT? In short, it’s just a really good tax. Progressive, widely regarded by economists as “the perfect tax”, incentivizes efficient use of land, discourages speculation and rent-seeking, economically efficient, and hard to evade. Plus, critically regarding landlords, land value taxes can’t be passed on to tenants, both in economic theory and in observed practice.

      In fact, it’s so well-regarded a tax that it’s been referred to as the “perfect tax”, and is supported by economists of all ideological stripes, from free-market libertarians like Milton Friedman — who famously described it as the “least bad tax” — to social democrats and Keynesians like Joseph Stiglitz. It’s simply a really good policy that I don’t think is talked about nearly enough.

      Even a quite milquetoast land value tax, such as in the Australian Capital Territory, has been shown to reduce speculation and improve affordability:

      It reveals that much of the anticipated future tax obligations appear to have been already capitalised into lower land prices. Additionally, the tax transition may have also deterred speculative buyers from the housing market, adding even further to the recent pattern of low and stable property prices in the Territory. Because of the price effect of the land tax, a typical new home buyer in the Territory will save between $1,000 and $2,200 per year on mortgage repayments.

      [email protected]

    • Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      10
      ·
      1 year ago

      It’s so ironic that Elizabeth Magie’s “The Landlord’s Game” was stolen by Parker Brothers and is now one of the most blatantly capitalist products in the world.

  • gornius@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    50
    ·
    1 year ago

    And if you’re born around 2000 year, you start the game where all the fields are taken, and there is a hotel on each field.

    Also crazy how end-game prison is comparable to homeless people commiting crimes, so they can have roof over their heads.

  • rickdg@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    39
    ·
    1 year ago

    It’s a good metaphor. What happened to Monopoly is that people shifted the rules around to make the game last longer, which allows them to pretend nothing’s wrong. But in the end, the game is the same.

      • tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        1 year ago

        I actually used to know a card game called thermonuclear war. Sort of similar to war where the highest card wins, but both players take 5 cards off the top and can play them in any order. Also you start out with the 2’s being nukes, and will destroy any card they’re played against, and once those are depleted the 3’s become active. When 2 nukes meet the remaining cards in hand are wiped out and then there’s something about flipping more cards off the deck to see who win the round, which occasionally ends up with more nukes coming out with more destruction.

        Can’t quite remember all the rules around nuke deployment but it was an apt name because quite often both players had all their cards demolished, showing that in nuclear war there are no winners.

  • Chev@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    20
    ·
    edit-2
    1 year ago

    No it’s even worse.

    I remember a match with a friend of mine, where I would give him every turn so much money and loans that he could survive just by a little bit. All of this happend while I was finalising every possible building to make sure, that he would have even less a chance.

    This is exactly how it works in real life. We get barly enough money to survive and give us the illusion of free will and hope.

    • xenoclast@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      1 year ago

      It was originally designed and marketed by Quakers as a warning against capitalism.

      But capitalism consumed it. Exactly as expected.

    • PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      1 year ago

      Oh man, I did that too as a kid. My dad didn’t like to play those extended games but my 13 year old self just couldn’t understand why!

  • DirkMcCallahan@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    22
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    1 year ago

    The funniest thing is that Monopoly is actually really fast when you play by the rules, but it basically goes on forever if you use house rules like putting fines at Free Parking. Socialism for the win!

  • saltesc@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    16
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    edit-2
    1 year ago

    Housing shortage tactic. The only part of Monopoly that isn’t capitalism.

    Rules state you cannot build hotels unless you have four houses on the board. You cannot get four houses on the board if a player has traded all their top properties for cheap ones and stacked all the houses available on their sets, refusing to buy hotels even though they totally could.

    If you want to take down your smuggy friends and watch their expensive properties crumble, get the cheapest sets and stop at low density residential. Their greed will be their downfall. Your restraint will prevail and 24 households remain instead of six profitable hotels.

    • chuckleslord@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      16
      ·
      1 year ago

      Yeah, supply shortages for an advantage against your opponents that rely on artifical scarcity… definitely not based in capitalism.

      • saltesc@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        I believe it would be the state capping how much development can happen on the board, hence we see these laws in the rule sheet. We can’t have the natural beauty of the board devastated by limitless suburban sprawl everywhere. Zoning limits and development caps are critical to a sustainable environment and infrastructure.

  • RiderExMachina@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    10
    ·
    1 year ago

    People really played Monopoly as kids and really went “yeah, that’s how the world should be”

  • Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    7
    ·
    edit-2
    1 year ago

    My sister, me and my parents played Monopoly once on Christmas. My sister broke the game by simply refusing to trade, so nobody could get any hotels. The game ended with my mother screaming in anger, my father laughing and my sister sitting in the chair with crossed arms. It was eye-opening. Now, even mentioning the game on family gatherings nets you snide remarks.

  • Whelks_chance@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    3
    arrow-down
    5
    ·
    1 year ago

    It’s really not a perfect metaphor for capitalism though. Just look at any high street in a less than prosperous town. Landlords may own the buildings, but if people can’t afford to run businesses or pay for services, they sit vacant or are sold off to other people who can run other businesses with different profit potential.

    Monopoly is too simplistic because the rents are fixed. If the owners of the properties were able to set the rents variably at whatever the demand could afford, and the game modelled mortgage rates and inflation, then this would be a suitable critique.

    • Square Singer@feddit.de
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      1 year ago

      Of course it’s a big simplification. Even the concept that you have to pay rent on the square you land on. Not having the choice which building you want to rent makes variable rents completely useless.

      Because if you don’t have a choice and have to pay rent on the field you land on, why would the owner of that building do anything but maximize the rent?

      But it was never intended to be a perfect model of capitalism, but instead a simple tool to teach regular people why monopoles suck and using a property tax as the single tax is better.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Landlord's_Game