Ya think maybe producing most of the world’s shit has anything to do with that pollution, buddy? Like wow the west outsourced most of its manufacturing to China, no fucking shit it’s going to produce more pollution. What’s their per capita #s look like, frienderino?
Yes, and still the air in China’s major cities and regions can be cut with a knife on a bad day. And you’re right - the U.S.'s ‘green’ push came to a screeching halt most places when oil and gas and coal said “fuck this shit - y’all can’t have that green stuff” … and here we are; some states even penalizing criminally being “off the grid”.
Those fuckers are not going to go quietly. Don’t blame the common people of the country because of corporations running governments passing laws for corporations.
In 2021, China, the United States, the EU27, India, Russia and Japan remained the world’s largest CO2 emitters. Together they account for 49.2% of global population, 62.4% of global Gross Domestic Product, 66.4% of global fossil fuel consumption and 67.8% of global fossil CO2 emissions.
Unless China annexed the US, the EU, India, Russia, and Japan and I just haven’t gotten the memo yet…
Very interesting strategy you’re taking with your argument. Lying, getting called out on your lies, and then saying you don’t care is sure to make you look very smart
They’ve done a lot about that, like becoming the global leader in pretty much every renewable sector as well as nuclear. Also, worth mentioning that smooth brained liberals have all their stuff produced in China. It’s absolute idiocy to bleat about pollution without considering where consumption is happening. Per capita energy usage in China is far lower than in the west.
“It’s not our fault, we just produce cheap goods, the pollution is the fault of the people buying the goods”
If your products are cheap because you’re polluting, you are the problem. If you weren’t polluting, your products wouldn’t be as cheap. If your products weren’t as cheap, they wouldn’t be competitive on the capitalist market. If they weren’t competitive, they wouldn’t be bought.
I’m sorry that you expect each unknowing consumer to have the intellectual capacity to understand the geopolitical consequences of each product they by based on the environmental damage and human rights violations during its production.
It’s almost like you’re the fool for expecting such a flawed system to work. Saying, “well, you paid me to do it!” does not absolve you of guilt.
That’s a nice straw man there buddy. I never said anything of the sort. It’s the capitalist system in the west that’s responsible for creating western lifestyle and the consumption that goes along with it. Nowhere did I say that I expected this system to work either. Keep trying there.
Yay China. Say… isn’t this the same country that turns out 68% of the world’s air pollution?
What have they done about that?
wow lemmy is full of liberals
Ya think maybe producing most of the world’s shit has anything to do with that pollution, buddy? Like wow the west outsourced most of its manufacturing to China, no fucking shit it’s going to produce more pollution. What’s their per capita #s look like, frienderino?
Hey pal… I’m not your buddy. Bro. Spud. Palsy Walsy. Your rock. You’re out from under it. Oh my.
coming back a week later for this, lol
I’m sure they’ll keep the light on for you.
Say, what would the data show if we measured cumulatively instead of pretending history began in the 1990s?
Now go per capita and check out other countries
So far this year China has added more solar capacity than the US in its entire history
Yes, and still the air in China’s major cities and regions can be cut with a knife on a bad day. And you’re right - the U.S.'s ‘green’ push came to a screeching halt most places when oil and gas and coal said “fuck this shit - y’all can’t have that green stuff” … and here we are; some states even penalizing criminally being “off the grid”.
Those fuckers are not going to go quietly. Don’t blame the common people of the country because of corporations running governments passing laws for corporations.
Unless China annexed the US, the EU, India, Russia, and Japan and I just haven’t gotten the memo yet…
Source
Who are you and why would I care?
If you don’t care, you don’t need to respond 🙂
The same reason you felt the need to point that out.
Don’t know what question you’re answeing, but okay.
Very interesting strategy you’re taking with your argument. Lying, getting called out on your lies, and then saying you don’t care is sure to make you look very smart
It pales in the light of your ability to not answer any questions.
What are you talking about lmao, I haven’t answered any questions because you haven’t asked me any
" Who are you and why would I care? "
Is that direct enough for you?
They’ve done a lot about that, like becoming the global leader in pretty much every renewable sector as well as nuclear. Also, worth mentioning that smooth brained liberals have all their stuff produced in China. It’s absolute idiocy to bleat about pollution without considering where consumption is happening. Per capita energy usage in China is far lower than in the west.
“It’s not our fault, we just produce cheap goods, the pollution is the fault of the people buying the goods”
If your products are cheap because you’re polluting, you are the problem. If you weren’t polluting, your products wouldn’t be as cheap. If your products weren’t as cheap, they wouldn’t be competitive on the capitalist market. If they weren’t competitive, they wouldn’t be bought.
China produces less pollution then most western countries while also doing all their manufacturing, you racist cretin.
Source?
https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-per-capita/
The demand comes from people consuming the goods. I’m sorry you lack intellectual capacity to wrap your head around this concept.
I’m sorry that you expect each unknowing consumer to have the intellectual capacity to understand the geopolitical consequences of each product they by based on the environmental damage and human rights violations during its production.
It’s almost like you’re the fool for expecting such a flawed system to work. Saying, “well, you paid me to do it!” does not absolve you of guilt.
It’s wild how people use anticapitalist arguments to attack opponents of neoliberalism
That’s a nice straw man there buddy. I never said anything of the sort. It’s the capitalist system in the west that’s responsible for creating western lifestyle and the consumption that goes along with it. Nowhere did I say that I expected this system to work either. Keep trying there.
In terms of particulates? China’s really cleaned that up in recent years.
But, well, China doesn’t have massive piles of natural gas it can burn instead of coal. Coal is notoriously dirty.
Yes. And the same country that produces all the shit we order from them. So is it their pollution or ours?
Yes. It is.
It is… What?
Regardless who or why is to blame - the damage belongs to all of us.
That’s true, but pointing fingers saying China has to change when changing nothing ourselves, is pure propaganda.
When did I say that?
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Also the country that dominates green energy manufacturing… Which is what everyone else is using to reduce their emissions.