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    11 months ago

    It was an actual path to fascism which is what you asked for. Stein is strengthening the position of the left, because the Democrats are not left. RFK pulling votes from the right is huge, and a big chance for an actual left party like the Greens to gain ground. RFK could actually win in my opinion because of how disliked the current duopoly is.

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      11 months ago

      Stein is strengthening the left, because the Democrats are not left.

      I don’t agree because I feel a far-right Trump presidency would be much worse for the actual left than a centrist neolib Biden presidency. There’s a lot riding on this; access to abortion, trans rights, environmental protections, restricting voter access, etc. I think that a Trump would probably even damage the left more than a miraculous Stein victory would help it.

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        11 months ago

        a far-right Trump presidency would be much worse for the actual left than a centrist neolib Biden presidency.

        Voting for a centrist neolib is the worst thing you can do for the left.

        There’s a lot riding on this; access to abortion, trans rights, environmental protections, restricting voter access

        Biden has been terrible on abortion by not getting roe v wade codified his whole career, terrible on environment just approved the willow pipeline, terrible on voting rights since hes a Dem and used undemocratic super delegates to win.

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          And how exactly is a centrist leader worse than a far-right leader? That makes no sense. You’re cutting off your nose to spite your face. It’s like having the choice between being in an abusive relationship where they always tell you they’ll do better next time or being with someone who actually wants to murder you, and you choose the murderer because you’re tired of being manipulated. No one would fault you for being tired of that, but to say that the alternative is preferable is utterly absurd. Lay out for me why Trump would be better than Biden.

          Trump is far worse on all those issues. Do you want your life to be merely bad, or completely awful? It’s a shitty choice, but it does actually matter. Sometimes it might feel like the answer is “I don’t care anymore,” but I feel like you’re being careless with regard to the people who’s lives would be unmistakably worse under Trump than under Biden. Not even just here, but in Palestine, in Ukraine, in Armenia, in Tigray, in Rojava, etc.

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            11 months ago

            And how exactly is a centrist leader worse than a far-right leader? That makes no sense.

            Because you’re ensuring wealthy people control the political system by voting for them. Wealthy people win whether Trump or Biden is elected.

            So atleast you admit you’re in an abusive relationship, next step is to leave.

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              Except you often can’t simply just leave an abusive relationship. You can say you’re leaving, but the dems will always be there as one of only two real options; there’s no escape. Just like I thought, you were just making wild, spiteful assertions without even any justification to back them up. The centrists are worse than the far-right because they’re both rich? And you expect to be taken seriously with logic like that? The right is even richer and openly hates you/actively works against you.

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                11 months ago

                there’s no escape.

                Holy shit, you are truly a battered spouse. You can leave, vote for anyone else.

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                  Congrats, you’ve voted for someone else. That person didn’t win and the old people are still in charge, genius. Literally going back to Lincoln times, it’s always been a dem or a rep. That’s what I mean by no escape and all you’ve done this whole time is say “Nuh-uh!” based on nothing at all. You’ve said nothing substantive this whole time and have yet to support a single statement. This is nothing to do with loyalty and everything to do with strategy. So far you’ve proudly declared you have no real strategy and no real basis for your beliefs. At best, you’ve tricked yourself into thinking you’ve escaped the system, but you’re sitting right here in the same sinking boat with all of us. You can try and bail water, or you can complain that a better boat wouldn’t need to be bailed. Grab a bucket or jump out.

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                    That person didn’t win and the old people are still in charge, genius.

                    And your plan is to keep voting for them. you’ve already lost.

                    everything to do with strategy.

                    Yours failed.

                    So far you’ve proudly declared you have no real strategy

                    Vote for Greens to get atleast 5% for federal funding.

                    jump out.

                    Exactly.