You SHOULD connect to Tor via a VPN, actually | 2023 Tor Overview
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In which I respond to @MentalOutlaw's "Stop Using Tor With VPNs" video that somebody shared with me, and also talk more about Tor security I guess... ❤️ Support my work on Ko-Fi: https://ko-fi.com/jonaharagon 📧 Follow my Newsletter: https://jonaharagon.substack.com This video is based on research from https://www.privacyguides.org/en/advanced/tor-overview/ and https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/clarify-tors-weaknesses-with-respect-to-observability/3676 Timestamps: 0:00 Hot take alert 0:08 Mental Outlaw video 0:50 About myself 2:01 Misconceptions about VPNs and Tor 3:48 Why you want to hide Tor from your ISP 4:41 Sidenote about “criminals” 6:08 Censorship circumvention 6:53 Tor bridge safety & historical analysis 7:50 Tor bridge safety examples 9:15 Tor bridge safety conclusion 10:17 Censorship circumvention conclusion 10:43 Tor usage by “criminals” + opsec note 11:06 Global Passive Adversaries 12:38 Investigations into your Tor usage 14:49 Advanced “Traffic Analysis” techniques 16:01 VPNs which log 17:21 What actually makes you stand out on a network 18:41 My real advice on how to connect to Tor 19:36 Common Misconception #1 “VPN = 4 hops!!!” 20:11 Common Misconception #2 “Permanent Entry Node” 20:49 Common Misconception #3 “VPN must be disabled” 21:39 How to use a VPN with Tor properly 22:58 Additional notes on Tor safety 24:25 Where you can learn more 24:33 Remember to subscribe :) 🏠 https://www.jonaharagon.com #tor #vpn #torproject #jonaharagon
  • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
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    11 months ago

    The video covers that as well, if your bridge becomes discovered later, log traffic can be used to identify your tour usage in the past. And if that’s not acceptable in your threat model, then a VPN still makes sense

    • Saki@monero.townEnglish
      3·
      11 months ago

      Agreed. It’s an option worth considering (even EFF said so)—in fact a bridge itself could be run by something like Team Cymru (Augury), removed in TB v11.5.4. On the other hand, a VPN could collaborate with “them” so you’ll have to trust them… adding yet another unknown.

      There are many ways to de-anonymoze Tor users indeed. Like Keystroke fingerprinting or Deep Packet Inspection… Usually a local ISP is not a big problem but it depends. The fact remains that even in a country with heavy Internet censorship, currently a nation-state can’t block Tor (via Bridge or Snowflake).

      • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
        4·
        11 months ago

        The issue of people in oppressive countries, where internet traffic is logged, is that using Tor won’t be blocked, but will mark somebody as a person of interest.

        So there’s a lot of people on this planet who are connected to the internet and have a legal requirement to have their traffic logged. Those people absolutely should be using a VPN, the VPN cannot possibly be worse than their ISP

        • Gooey0210@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          1·
          11 months ago

          I believe this is why privacy groups mostly recommend using tor without vpns More users, more traffic, less being a single target in a field