I stumbled across this recently while going down a different rabbit hole and it stunned me. I missed this previously. It leaves me wondering why I am circumcised. I am a bit bitter still and always about having the tip of my penis chopped off in the name of tradition, Now I see this and wonder what justification my parents could have had in reality? Was it all just peer pressure? They were southern baptists, supposedly believing in NT over OT in any conflict. This is deep in the NT:

Galatians 5:2-6

2 Listen! I, Paul, am telling you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no benefit to you. 3 Once again I testify to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obliged to obey the entire law. 4 You who want to be justified by the law have cut yourselves off from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit, by faith, we eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything; the only thing that counts is faith working through love.

I am an Atheist, Ex-Christian, Ex-Southern Baptist Apostate in my 40s. I talked to my mother about it, when I had a son. She said she just didn’t want me to stand out and circumcising was just what everyone else was doing. It drove home the point that my mother has never really thought for herself on any of that and much of it had impact on me. I’m thankful that my kids won’t have to go through all of that.

I’m venting because it dug up an old wound for me. As always, I’d love to hear some feedback.

  • bob_lemon@feddit.de
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    1 year ago

    What the fuck is Paul even talking about there?

    First he says that circumcised men are not covered by Christ’s sacrifice, which goes against the single most central point of Christian belief.

    Then he says circumcision doesn’t matter, only Christ does, just a few sentences later.

    • Cranakis @lemmy.oneOP
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      1 year ago

      Seems like an early church numbers game to me. Paul realizes, I think, that if they’re going to convert a substantial number of non Jews, they’re going to need to drop the “now cut your penis” requirement for entry.

    • CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world
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      The thesis that Paul is trying to convey is that salvation doesn’t come from performing a ceremony, like circumcision. It comes from faith in Christ. He’s writing to a church who were mostly Jewish converts who were still insisting on new Christians being circumcised.

    • hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      8 months ago

      There seems to be multiple similar cases in bible, so it could be some weird linguistic thing.

      Romans 14:1-3

      Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them.