• spyd3r@sh.itjust.works
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    11 months ago

    Maybe they should try demanding the full unconditional surrender of Hamas and the release of all hostages first…

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      11 months ago

      Don’t you think the lives of 2.3 million starving people is more pressing now than that? A ceasefire would also allow hostages out.

      As for Hamas surrendering, it won’t matter. I think Bibi is delusional and just wants this for power-tripping. Hamas will never really even be able to surrender simply because they are born from the oppression that Israel pours on Palestinians, and as long as Israel maims and kills and buries full families under their own homes, Hamas by that name or any other will ALWAYS emerge within a year.

      Even with handling an extremist group, Israel poured fuel on the fire and is pouring some more. Everyone knows this, everyone is appalled and shocked at how fucking dumb Israel is being right now.

      The “unconditional surrender of Hamas” is Bibi’s kinky fantasy. It means nothing in the practical sense.

      But yes good luck getting people who were killed and tortured and kept in poverty by Israel to surrender…

      You would never expect Israel to surrender to a more powerful enemy.

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        11 months ago

        You’re not exactly up to date on current events. There was a weeklong ceasefire that ended a few days ago, hamas violated it by launching rockets at israeli cities and refusing to release more hostages.

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        11 months ago

        Well, Israel isn’t going into some random village to rape torture and mutilate women, children, and babies. Israel also treats prisoners with dignity and don’t just forgets where they put them, starve them, and neglect to give them needed medicine. Israel also doesn’t just fire randomly into heavily populated areas for the sole purpose of killing as many civilians as possible. So there’s that.

        The devil is in the details that you choose to ignore.

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          11 months ago

          Well, Israel isn’t going into some random village to rape torture and mutilate women, children, and babies.

          No, it’s just going into a open air prison of its own creation where it has willfully starved the population to make sure all those doctors, journalists, and civilians are completely killed in their homes, in ambulances, in the market, while sheltering, or while grieving.

          What Hamas did was disgusting, but honestly after everything Israel has done, October 7th doesn’t stand anything in comparison. Israel has done October 7th to the Palestinians twenty times over.

          F U C K I S R A E L

          The devil is in the details that you choose to ignore

          How are you ignoring the pain of 2.3 million people? That’s more people than you could even imagine in your head…

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            This “open air prison” is the making of Hamas.

            When a group of people elect an organization whose main agenda is to anihilate its neighboring country, you don’t just stand there and do nothing. You prevent them from gaining weapons and ammunition. The only way to do this is to control their borders.

            And behold, they did exactly what they said they would on 7/10. The only surprise is that they succeeded.

            Now some facts - Israeli Arabs, you know, the peaceful ones, have full right and full access to anything they want. That includes being in the Israeli army, with access to weapons and ammo. Big weapons, lots of ammo. They’re also elected to Israeli government, just a year ago a Muslim party was in government. Why are they trusted to all this while the Palestinians aren’t? Simple, they’re not trying to murder people.

            Something tells me you’ve never been in any real danger that you think problems like this get solved by doing nothing, and playing nice.

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              11 months ago

              This “open air prison” is the making of Hamas.

              That’s a lie. Don’t start your damn comments with a damn lie.

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          11 months ago

          Israel isn’t going into some random village to rape torture and mutilate women, children, and babies.

          Oh, but they are.

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            11 months ago

            “some minority people did crime” (and get punished for it). Settlers do not represent Israel, nor do they represent the army. Apples to oranges.

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              Did you fail to read the part where sometimes the IDF joins in with the settlers? They almost never get punished for it, or it’s just a slap on the wrist because the Palestinians have no rights in Israel’s court system. Settlers are exactly what Israel is, a country founded on the worst white-supremacist imperialist, theocratic, ethno-colonialism.

              Are you a genocide apologist just for fun or are you just evil?

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                11 months ago

                I will not step down to your level.

                The IDF had never raped or mutilated women and children. Show proof or STFU.

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      11 months ago

      That’s not an excuse to kill innocent people. Especially children. Would it be okay to carpet bomb and kill innocents in tel aviv if hamas was there?

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        The irony is staggering. That’s exactly what Hamas is trying to do, and would succeed if it weren’t for the iron dome system.

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          Hamas wouldn’t exist if the Palestinians weren’t treated like animals and had their land taken, their women raped, and children blown to smithereens.