Any child born in this country, if born in an hospital, leaves there already a citizen, with all connections to the state the child is in right to have, by force of law.
This means from the moment the child is born, the child gains legal status and protection under the law, including from the parents and family.
Children that by some reason could not be registered at the hospital facilities are required to be registered in under 10 days from the date of birth, under penalty of heavy fines for the parents.
Less than a year back, there was a new cover about a gates community where a child was born and died for unknow causes in less than a year. Somehow, this transpired to the authorities and trigered a massive investigation. More children were found, unregistered, which means unvaccinated, never seen by a pediatrician, etc.
The so called “leader” of that community accused the state of overbearing, arguing the children were his, by right of father, and thus he was entitled to raise the children as he saw fit.
The subject quickly faded off the main news lines, as it was deemed a sensible subject, prone to cause suffering to more children, but that ass got the full weight of the law on him, from child endangerment, to destruction of remains (the deceased baby was alledgly cremated on the compound grounds).
The other children were removed from the compound, along with any members of the community that such chose to.
The religious freedom and parents rights arguments were carefully laid down on the ground, run over with a steam roller, folded, pressed again, soaked in kerosene and lit on fire.
We are a mostly liberal country but children have special protection under the law. We are born citizens and as thus the state has the responsibilty to defend us.
Are there flaws? Yes. Some, grotesque. But for the majority of cases, the system works.
There’s a growing movement of “free birthing” where people are choosing to give birth unassisted and without medical intervention.
I suspect it’s people trying to take agency in countries without universal health care where giving birth medically supported is financially untenable for a large population. Influencers do it and glorify it and make it look like an attractive option for people who also have anxiety about health.
It’s really sad actually. The child seems less important than “the perfect birth story”
I have nothing against more people trying to give birth without medical assistance, exactly because giving birth nowadays is more and more considered a surgical act than a physiological process.
We have a NHS and the complaints from women and, fortunately, from men as well, about violence during labour as been pilling to create awareness and force changes.
From pushing for C-sections, to strapping women to the “chair”, which is a proven bad position to give birth, systematic episiotomy, forced shaving of the pubic area, premature, too late or unnecessary epidural, no opening for different birthing positions…
I’m going to stop here. It’s a sensible subject for me.
More and more people are looking for alternatives to give birth outside the reach of uncaring or indifferent doctors, which has been making space to doulas and midwives reappearing, often nurses that have undergone specfic training for such purpose.
These people are not trying to make the birth of their children unsafe but instead less violent and less of a medical act and more of a natural process.
The babies are nonetheless visited by a pediatrician, the foot test is done, and the children are registered because not doing so is endangering the child and depriving them for social backing, both child and parents.
Sorry for the long wind. This is a sensible subject to me.
I fully respect that medical treatment of women has historically been lacking, and at times horrific. Number of c-sections is actually a metric used to measure appropriateness of medical interventions for a reason, since if it’s not necessary it’s extremely invasive and a brutal recovery.
I feel for those who have had bad experiences. Midwives are absolutely amazing.
I am more concerned with those that refuse prenatal care and medical care for their children, when they are accessible, for their own comfort.
For their comfort? How? Usually, it will be extreme outliers going down such route, often connected with distrust from government or religious motivation.
I guess it’s not really their comfort, you’re right about there being extrinsic factors at play.
By their comfort I meant avoidance of discomfort, in relation to medical procedures, to the extreme of potentially jeopardizing the health of their child. Things (other than avoiding prenatal care, which can result in more dangerous situations during delivery) like refusing vitamin k for their newborn.
This makes absolutely no sense in any country. The whole “Sovereign Citizens” movement (and its offshoots and influences) is a steaming hot pile of garbage that’s being cooked by an underlying tire fire. It’s what happens when sociopaths interact with each other in ways that feed and fan the flames of their disorder.
This makes absolutely no sense in my country.
Any child born in this country, if born in an hospital, leaves there already a citizen, with all connections to the state the child is in right to have, by force of law. This means from the moment the child is born, the child gains legal status and protection under the law, including from the parents and family.
Children that by some reason could not be registered at the hospital facilities are required to be registered in under 10 days from the date of birth, under penalty of heavy fines for the parents.
Less than a year back, there was a new cover about a gates community where a child was born and died for unknow causes in less than a year. Somehow, this transpired to the authorities and trigered a massive investigation. More children were found, unregistered, which means unvaccinated, never seen by a pediatrician, etc.
The so called “leader” of that community accused the state of overbearing, arguing the children were his, by right of father, and thus he was entitled to raise the children as he saw fit.
The subject quickly faded off the main news lines, as it was deemed a sensible subject, prone to cause suffering to more children, but that ass got the full weight of the law on him, from child endangerment, to destruction of remains (the deceased baby was alledgly cremated on the compound grounds).
The other children were removed from the compound, along with any members of the community that such chose to.
The religious freedom and parents rights arguments were carefully laid down on the ground, run over with a steam roller, folded, pressed again, soaked in kerosene and lit on fire.
We are a mostly liberal country but children have special protection under the law. We are born citizens and as thus the state has the responsibilty to defend us.
Are there flaws? Yes. Some, grotesque. But for the majority of cases, the system works.
There’s a growing movement of “free birthing” where people are choosing to give birth unassisted and without medical intervention.
I suspect it’s people trying to take agency in countries without universal health care where giving birth medically supported is financially untenable for a large population. Influencers do it and glorify it and make it look like an attractive option for people who also have anxiety about health.
It’s really sad actually. The child seems less important than “the perfect birth story”
I have nothing against more people trying to give birth without medical assistance, exactly because giving birth nowadays is more and more considered a surgical act than a physiological process.
We have a NHS and the complaints from women and, fortunately, from men as well, about violence during labour as been pilling to create awareness and force changes.
From pushing for C-sections, to strapping women to the “chair”, which is a proven bad position to give birth, systematic episiotomy, forced shaving of the pubic area, premature, too late or unnecessary epidural, no opening for different birthing positions…
I’m going to stop here. It’s a sensible subject for me.
More and more people are looking for alternatives to give birth outside the reach of uncaring or indifferent doctors, which has been making space to doulas and midwives reappearing, often nurses that have undergone specfic training for such purpose.
These people are not trying to make the birth of their children unsafe but instead less violent and less of a medical act and more of a natural process.
The babies are nonetheless visited by a pediatrician, the foot test is done, and the children are registered because not doing so is endangering the child and depriving them for social backing, both child and parents.
Sorry for the long wind. This is a sensible subject to me.
I fully respect that medical treatment of women has historically been lacking, and at times horrific. Number of c-sections is actually a metric used to measure appropriateness of medical interventions for a reason, since if it’s not necessary it’s extremely invasive and a brutal recovery.
I feel for those who have had bad experiences. Midwives are absolutely amazing.
I am more concerned with those that refuse prenatal care and medical care for their children, when they are accessible, for their own comfort.
Your last few words intrigued me.
For their comfort? How? Usually, it will be extreme outliers going down such route, often connected with distrust from government or religious motivation.
I guess it’s not really their comfort, you’re right about there being extrinsic factors at play.
By their comfort I meant avoidance of discomfort, in relation to medical procedures, to the extreme of potentially jeopardizing the health of their child. Things (other than avoiding prenatal care, which can result in more dangerous situations during delivery) like refusing vitamin k for their newborn.
This makes absolutely no sense in any country. The whole “Sovereign Citizens” movement (and its offshoots and influences) is a steaming hot pile of garbage that’s being cooked by an underlying tire fire. It’s what happens when sociopaths interact with each other in ways that feed and fan the flames of their disorder.