• chitak166@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    I’m not voting for Joe solely because of his unwavering support for Israel.

    I’ll vote third party and whatever happens, happens.

    If joe-supporters have a problem with it, they can support better candidates in the next election.

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      11 months ago

      Enjoy the Trump presidency then, someone who whole-heartedly supports the genocide even more than Biden.

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        Yeah, I’d rather vote for no genocide than the lesser genocide.

        I guess hurting the genocide-supporters is a bonus.

        Sorry, I thought about it and there is no ‘lesser-genocide.’ Genocide Joe has done nothing to curtail Israel’s genocide. Literally nothing.

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          And in so doing you will help get the greater genocide elected. Congrats, you managed to achieve an even worse outcome than you wanted.

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            11 months ago

            Nah, it’s the people voting for genocide that got genocide to win.

            See how there’s no winning unless you support genocide?

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              Because the US is a two-party system due to first past the post voting. Until the country adopts ranked-choice or single transferable vote, there will only be two parties. A vote against one party is simply a vote for the other party.

              So by voting third party you are voting for the Republicans. Congrats on supporting the greater genocide.

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                Just a reminder, this is what happened in 2016. If you wrapped up all the Green Party and Libertarian Party votes and gave them to Hillary instead in the swing states, she would’ve won. Instead, those third-party voters helped doom us to a lifetime of higher taxes due to the Tax Cuts & Jobs Act, the politicization of a deadly disease that is now endemic, a court system with a supermajority that is more interested in stripping away rights rather than granting them, and the very real threat of the discarding of our democracy as we know it.

                There’s more to it than that, but both of these men are known quantities, and one is orders of magnitude worse. Any vote not for Biden will be a vote for a massive increase in genocide rather than status quo, which while unfortunate gives us a chance for a tomorrow where that doesn’t happen.

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                Why don’t the democrats support ranked-choice voting, then?

                Congrats on supporting the greater genocide.

                What has Biden done to curtail the genocide of Palestinians? There is no lesser genocide because Biden is a Zionist.

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                  Why don’t the democrats support ranked-choice voting, then?

                  Because they get elected by the current system.

                  What has Biden done to curtail the genocide of Palestinians?

                  Helped negotiate a ceasefire that Hamas broke, and has spoken publicly about Israel not doing enough to avoid civilian casualties. Not much I admit, and far from enough, but not nothing.

                  There is no lesser genocide

                  The US could send more money and weapons to Israel and publicly support the killing of civilians. So yes, there is a lesser genocide.

                  People abstaining or not voting democrat in 2016 because they were mad Sanders didn’t get the nomination led to a Trump presidency. It didn’t help make the Dems move more to the left, it didn’t help people get more social services. It just led to a vastly more right wing era that was hostile to minorities, removed many LGBTQ+ protections, ended abortion protections, and enshrined a corrupt supreme court for the next few decades.

                  But I’m sure you’re so happy to return to such a government to stick it to Joe Biden.

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                    Helped negotiate a ceasefire

                    Really? Looked to me like the prisoner exchange was what got a ceasefire. Do you legitimately believe Biden was the cause of it? I don’t, especially considering how little impact he has on everything else happening in the area.

                    The US could send more money and weapons to Israel and publicly support the killing of civilians. So yes, there is a lesser genocide.

                    The US is already sending Israel everything it wants and has pledged its support. If you can cite an example of the Biden administration withholding aid to Israel, then you would have a point. All I’ve seen were empty threats.

                    But I’m sure you’re so happy to return to such a government to stick it to Joe Biden.

                    I’m happy to do my part in breaking an endless cycle. You’re happy to do your part in perpetuating it. If you have a problem with me, then you need to change to get my support.

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      Whoever you vote for as a write it, it will be spelled “Trump” in the end.

      I get your frustration, but this is the way our system works. You have to vote for the lesser of two evils, more often than not. I wanted Bernie in 2016, but I still voted for that cunt Hillary, because it was either her or Trump. Unless you’re certain your state will go Blue in 2024, a vote for a third party is functionally a vote for Trump. If you’re in a swing state, your protest will only amount to getting a person you like even less than Biden elected, and you’ll be part of the problems that creates.

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        My real frustration is having to deal with people like you every time I say I’m doing something independent.

        Ahh well. I hope Trump wins just so people like you get to suffer the consequences of your actions. That’s a boon in my eyes because otherwise you’re never going to change.

        If you don’t like it, run better candidates. Perhaps a few losses will get that through your heads. Hillary clearly wasn’t enough.

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          My real frustration is having to deal with people like you every time I say I’m doing something independent.

          Good. I love vote shaming.

          You lost us Roe v. Wade.

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            11 months ago

            I’m sorry you feel that way. If a certain justice had retired sooner we would’ve been able to replace them during a Democratic presidency instead of the Trump presidency that we got because Hillary lost.