• NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
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      11 months ago

      “They hate Israel because they hate Jews” is a strong accusation. Hating Jews usually doesn’t decide foreign policy.

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          Seems like most non-European nations didn’t care about Jews until they stole Israel.

          That would make them anti-Zionist, not anti-Semetic.

          I know it’s important for you people to conflate the two, though. Thankfully this generation isn’t quite as stupid as the last one when it comes to your propaganda.

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            Guess what, when you refuse Jews their right to their ancestral land that they’ve never left, while not doing so with any other people, yup, that makes you an anti-semite.

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              No, it makes me an anti-Zionist.

              You think Jews are entitled to live in Israel, and you’re so brazenly biased that you try to conflate anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism.

              Rational people are no longer following for your narrative, and that upsets you to no end.

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            Since you can’t seem to stay off my dick, I’ve decided to reply. You are an antisemite. Not in the way that everyone calls everyone that. You’re out here spending your days on the Internet espousing all flavors of this shit. So I’m not going to engage in particulars here for you to ignore and try to pick apart. You contribute to the dialogue in bad faith. You are shit on my boot. Nothing. Undermensch. Got what you want? Angry Nazi Jew hates goy? You should go to therapy to deal with whatever you hate about yourself or your upbringing, or just fucking leave. Go in the woods and don’t come back.

            Btw “You people” … words of a gentleman and scholar.

            “Your propaganda”… mine? Whose?

            I really don’t like you. I bet your friends and family don’t like you either. I bet you don’t like you. Closet gay? Attracted to Jewish women? White guilt? Which you got buried down there. Fix yourself before you hurt someone else.

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              11 months ago

              See how mad Zionists get when you call out their bullshit for what it is?

              I rest my case.

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                11 months ago

                So same as the other comments… You have nothing of value to offer and don’t respond to subject matter. Are you a Russian troll farm employee? A Musk loving incel? Fake leftist? Which flavor of feces?

                Also, I asked “here are angry generic words… is this what you expect?” That means your comment here is just repeating back my /s Maybe you’re actually just a fucking idiot. I suppose I give ignorance too much credit for malice

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                    Okay, I’ll accept your concession. I’ll feel good sleeping tonight feeling like I “won” here. I don’t even do that shit on the Internet. I have a pretty full and fulfilling life. This is so unimportant to me Yet somehow, you’ve provided me with such a sense of satisfaction! Thank you! I was really bored before but I’m smiling right now. Because you’ve helped me remember how people like you function and how little credence to give you. Except when your kind shoots up schools and churches and synagogues and shit… But other than that you’re feckless! Merry Christmas!

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          11 months ago

          Like the whole field of antisemitic Zionism, yes. “It’s fine if Jews get to live just don’t do it here”.

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            11 months ago

            Jeez, never thought of it framed that way. You’re right. All I ever wanted was a couple of square blocks on the lower east side anyway :)

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            What are you talking about? Anti-Semitism is rife in lots of the middle east. The protocols of the elders of Zion are still circulated as fact. And Malaysia isn’t in the middle east?

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            So either you’re a Middle Eastern or Muslim person that loves his brother in Abraham sharing personal experience, who I love for your naivete and wish everyone had that sentiment everywhere about everyone and there was world peace… Or you’re completely detached from the history which is fine, but you shouldn’t post disinformation on the Internet bc others will believe you and parrot it to others, as is happening here

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                Thanks for being honest and asking in good faith. So pretty much the whole history has been defined by genocides and being used as fodder for scapegoating.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_question … this is a pretty controversial vein of the dialogue for you to get started. You don’t have to feel one way or another but it’s an example of the modern West’s dynamics

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                  Oh I know that. I was talking specifically about whether antisemitism affected foreign policy. Like, didn’t Western countries just persecute Jews inside their borders while not really caring about ones outside? That’s why I said “outside their borders”.

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                    Okay gotcha. I think the missing piece here is the connection between domestic and foreign policy. Forget Jews, Holocaust, Israel, genocide, any of it, and go more basic…

                    Domestic policy issues like immigration in a functioning country on an average normal day, are by their nature, foreign policy. If you own a store and lock the door and say we’re closed, you’re informing the outside world of this. If I needed a loaf of bread from you, now I have to do something else… it doesn’t matter if I find a different store, switch recipes, order in… you’ve affected me. Like how in science, merely observing, is impacting any experiment, just bc you’re interacting with it through the very observation itself.

                    So now you’re a Eurasian country expelling your Jews as one does every few centuries. If I accept those Jews, that’s a diplomatic message to the global community that I disagree with your policy. Think about Poland accepting Ukrainians or the US sending bombs. That’s a message on our stance on Russian genocide.

                    Does that help or make it more confusing?? 😬

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        11 months ago

        But if you treat Israel different to other states in your foreign policy, thats antisemitic.

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          So the fact that we treat Israel differently than we treat Russia, which we treat differently than Italy, which we treat differently than Peru, is all antisemitism?

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            11 months ago

            Yes.

            Btw: why would you treat Russia different to Italy? If Italy commits human rights violation to the same degree as Russia and Israel do, I would expect you to condemn Italy and Peru the same way.