• Credibly_Human@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    More than this, you are not starting a violent revolution. If you think a third party will magically win, you clearly do not know your fellow countryman.

    The world is how it is, and you have to sometimes use and hijack the systems and or parties that exist to accomplish your goals.

    It will be slow, unfun and will require consistency.

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      “But then I won’t get to gleefully murder, execute and imprison people I deem to be liberals and enemies of the revolution, that’s the only thing that should matter!! When’s my turn to shoot a worker asking for better conditions on the back of the head?? The conditions are already great and anyone who complains is clearly a bourgeois agent!!!”

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      21 hours ago

      If you think a third party will magically win

      Both of the two major parties started out as third parties. And right now is exactly the kind of historical scenario where new parties tend to form in a two-party system. The Democratic party’s brand is mud. People are sick of both parties. That’s the exact scenario that leads to successful third parties.

      • PugJesus@piefed.socialOPM
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        21 hours ago

        I think this is more directed towards the people who wait until the year of the presidential election to start agitating for a third party with no other national presence for the presidency under the bizarre notion that everyone is a secret leftist just waiting for The Party™ to finally catch their attention.

        Now is a good time to start a third party! But a serious attempt to start a third party would involve first contesting state legislations and vulnerable Congressional seats rather than the ritual every-four-years Hail Mary we normally see from third parties.

        A third party would involve educating and convincing voters on why they should look outside of the current dichotomy - not just picking up the masses of dissatisfied people like flipped pogs.

        Not saying you’re suggesting a senseless Hail Mary or anything like that - just got going on the subject and couldn’t stop, lmao.

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        18 hours ago

        Both of the two major parties started out as third parties.

        It is not 1842, and these parties were almost always within 2 party systems. Their history is full of factions splitting and just going back to 2 parties again. This is all way back when there was way less inertia and thats still how it worked.

        The Democratic party’s brand is mud. People are sick of both parties. That’s the exact scenario that leads to successful third parties.

        Ah yes, this third party will rise from the ashes of all the political dissidents and marginalized people killed in this totally brief and not worth worrying about period where the GOP has locked in control over government for decades as the democratic party split.

        Do people literally just not think through anything? The other party doesn’t just wait because you have an identity crisis. You have to fix the engine while you’re driving because thats the real world and thats how it is.

        You can’t just imagine a fairytale and pretend its got a chance in hell of happening.

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      24 hours ago

      Slow? That’s an understatement. Most of the time—where there is no army—shit’s generational. People that start it are long dead before any outcome.

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        21 hours ago

        They want the 1917 Russian Revolutions without the 60 years of thankless groundwork that preceded it.

        They don’t care about what actually causes change - they just want the aesthetic of change. Which goes a long way to explain why they simp for the Soviet Union and PRC so hard.