Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed are the only channels I would watch for new PC part reviews. They don’t hide or glance over any details for the sake of entertainment and your attention. If I’m spending $700+ on a product I want to know exactly what I’m getting, Not a quick rundown that skips over details that could be potential deal breakers. Glad to see them get the attention they deserve after all this controversy.
Just like you said. I only watch gn before purchases. They’re so damn dry and boring I just skip it wholly and fully otherwise.
That’s understandable. I find them genuinely entertaining, Especially their presentation coverage videos but their long-winded style isn’t for everyone. I just prefer in-depth content.
Yeah their news videos has great content…
Its just… a bit boring to listen to
You gotta check out Digital Foundry for GPUs and Hardware Canucks for cases/accessories.
I watch Jayztwocents because the channel is not a specific this is good and bad.
That whole video, and the follow-up, were incredible. I used to trust LTT quite a bit, but after the video, I’ve just chunks of respect for LTT. Dunno if i can ever trust them.
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I work in the tech industry. I work for an A tier company that makes servers, storage and more. I cannot imagine fucking up a benchmark/performance characterisation chart THIS badly even for an internal presentation.
I have spent hours double checking and re-running tests to ensure I’m getting the right numbers.
And to see a channel as big as LTT goofing up numbers so badly, which have the potential to affect thousands of purchasing decisions, i can’t even.
We also work with vendors, who sometimes send hardware prototypes. And we can never be THIS unprofessional to them.
Seems Linus is in love with money now.
I never really trusted them. They were the wacky tech entertainment channel, which was fun! But their actual benchmarking has always been a mess unfortunately.
LTT is like Fox News - it may come off as statistical analysis of technology but it’s really just there for entertainment purposes. They may call themselves fair and balanced but they offer favorable reviews to sponsors.
Same. Has LTT responded yet?
Linus made a post on LTTForums, but LMG/LTT, as a company, has yet to respond.
Update: Video up on LTT channel.
What video? I’m out of the loop
Am I the only one who thinks this is a little overblown? After reading all these comments I finally got around to watching the video and was honestly pretty underwhelmed and found the GN guy a little over dramatic in his framing and language of the issue.
I’m not claiming he’s doing this whole thing for attention or clout. But yeah, not seeing anything world shaking or enough to change my views on much of anything.
GN dude literally just stated facts, with the evidence.
And that too after an lmg video called them out by name. The original video literally had the guy saying that lmg was better than others like GN or hardware unboxed.
They didn’t have to do it. Especially when there are multiple points of data pointing to their glaring inaccuracies.
It depends if you spend money on the information LMG provide, or in the case of billet, use them to get an honest review.
He absolutely did it for clout. He currently has more traffic than he had in months. Talking about how awkward and uncomfortable the whole thing is, yet smiling through the whole video.
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The real question is, given how he overdramatised these issues now, how much of the previous issues must have been him talking up molehills to mountains.
Essentially, pointing out mistakes in tech YouTuber videos is not a challenge. They are everywhere. Whenever GN goes into details of electronic engineering I want to kill myself just as much as when Linus does anything related to Linux, or Jay does … well, anything really. I mean, GN clearly demonstrated in this very video that he doesn’t even know what IP is.
So the only real issue is that whole Billet thing. They themselves said they only asked for compensation on the 10th and since they didn’t get a reply within a day they used the weekend to help Steve with his hit piece? I don’t know what they think they are doing, but they are radioactive now. Who in their right mind is going to review their stuff if there’s the possibility that they will give a competitor private emails to construct a hit piece like this. They are an incalculable business risk now and ultimately they need reviewers more than the other way around.
That all being said, the really disgusting stuff is what apparently happened to Madison. That’s something a company and their leadership needs to be held accountable for. Not this other petty shit.
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Honestly it’s the emotional language choice he used that put me off. That’s when is started to strike me as a bit disingenuous. But motivations aside, so good points were made.
Too large, corporate burdens. Ltt needs to slow down. Quantity over quality not cool.
"We may be pumping out trash, but at least the trash pumps are running strong with huge throughput. We’re ℙℝ𝕆𝔻𝕌ℂ𝕋𝕀𝕍𝔼!
I honestly never got his channel. Does Linus actually have a tech/engineering background which makes him an authority on this stuff? Watching his videos leads me to believe that he doesn’t. He gets basic shit wrong way too often.
Linus is both knowledgable and a good entertainer. The problem is he’s grown from a casual reviewer to running a 100+ employee business, pumping out multiple videos a week with his face on it - He simply cannot possibly know anything about the product besides what’s on the script.
When he is interested in something, it really shows. The way he talks about the LTT Screwdriver or the Framework laptop for example almost never even has a correction, let alone errors. Linus just has no ability to upscale that quality.
I think it’s even more what GN has highlighted: They try to go from entertainment first to hard facts and data. It’s very clear that they have not thought this through completely.
Yes, some of their testing solutions are very sophisticated, but there are definitely problems on the management side of things. This seems very much like a structural problem. Communications goes horribly wrong in multiple ways, including errors not being corrected properly. Errors appear very frequently and the employees themselves question the quality of their videos.
Linus himself claimed that he had to improvise a workshop with employees, because they lacked training for what they were supposed to do. Furthermore that he substantially changed things on the fly, because they were garbage from his POV. All of this indicates bad management, but not learning from mistakes and making the exact same ones again proves it.
This is horseshit, no offense; Linus straight up says he’s not interested in doing it right as it’s cost $1-500… Which is nothing to them.
He’s a sales sleeze semi-technical media nerd that is at best a good entertainer.
He chooses not to enforce quality.
LTT is entertainment. Not news or credibly fact based.
Yeah, the channel was great many years ago. Basically the same time they moved to the warehouse building is when it went downhill, and fast. They started pumping out more lower quality videos, and it was nearly all covered in click bait. They also created the side channel where they tried to make funny content. That’s when I unsubscribed. I don’t know if that’s all still the same, but they clearly got caught up in trying to expand and following youtube trends that they forgot what they were good at.
He doesn’t. He’s just being a computer technician for as long as he has worked.
It used to be an unboxing channel.
And before that, he was the NCIX guy that did all the videos for their site.
He’s does not have a technical background and he’s said as much, gaming and computers are just a passion for him.
He’s an entertainer, not an authority. But he speaks so passionately it’s easy for a non-technical person to believe he’s an authority.
LTT is just an infomercial
No he was basically a marketing guy
Watching his videos leads me to believe that he doesn’t.
Watching his videos leads me to believe that he does, the random knowledge drops he has about hardware and the deeper levels of the software stack convince me of that.
Even if he is parroting knowledge he’s getting from his engineers, and I don’t think he is, he still sounds very knowledgable. I think everyone’s simply jumping on a hate bandwagon for the fun of it.
I couldn’t believe the story about the water block.
“we did what we did because no matter what the temps are, we thought it was so expensive that none of our viewers should come away from this video wanting to buy it”
He’s built a $100,000 gaming desk in the past year, as if he couldn’t see a market for an expensive cooler block.
After the sewer explosion at LMG today I truly felt Gamer Jesus is really coming forth as a messiah.
Tech Jesus for data. LTT for infotainment.
Lienus Theft Tips
Tech nerd Jesus has arrived.
For reviews sure, for entertainment? Sets me to sleep tbh
For me ltt is entertainment. I personally think they should pivot away from hardware reviews and do just do crazy projects, show cases of really ground breaking tech, and engineering type stuff like they have been. Hardware reviews kind of boring not the reason I watch ltt. It’s really is like the topgrear of pc hardware imo.
I mean they invested a ton into lab equipment, it’d be silly not to use it. What needs to happen is a clear split between entertainment and data-focussed content with data getting the time they need to get things right and entertainment the budget they need to make things crazy. Noone particularly cares about data accuracy when you’re strapping a 1m diametre industrial fan to a PC case or crawl through bramble bushes to run a network cable but once you get bar charts involved you better dot your 'i’s. Content that is both, e.g. an entertaining product review, needs the budget of both.
Pretty much this, nothing on his knowledge in what he’s saying, but listening to Steve talk at length is tedious. The Internet is doing its Internet thing when people get too big and make a mistake, but there’s no way people are tuning into Gamer’s Nexus for entertainment.
Anyone can make a mistake, mistakes can be a good way to learn provided the damage is not too severe. It is not making a mistake or two that is the issue, it is the egregious way he puts making money at a higher value than correcting that mistake while other pay the cost. He has a drive to publish content even when he knows it has errors in it. He literally published a video that not only gave a review on a product fitted to the wrong part, but then went on to screw that company further by selling the prototype for click bait.
GN is not about entertainment; it is about getting good information on tech. Be a comedian as much as you like, but if your bread and butter is about giving a review, then at least make that review plausible. It is not a big ask.
See, this is all just an overly emotional / reactionary read to me. Right now everyone is in a echo chamber, it’s really odd from the outside looking in with everyone getting so worked up like this is the ulitmate sin. Steve is whipping everyone up into a hyperactive state for what endgame? I’m interested in what happens ultimately, but I’d be surprised if LTT does anything but continue to grow, and get better.
I am a very pragmatic person. Credit should always go where credit is due, especially if there was the work put in to get the result. LMG are not putting in the work, they are grifting at the expense of others who are making an effort. More so, LMG are adamant that they can do no wrong. He has people working for him who can give the desired result, but they are hampered by the greedy cash grab.
GN are not the only ones that have issues with LMG. Listen to the comments from hardware unboxed regarding their subscriber base and the comments made to them in streams. I don’t watch LTT, so I do not know how far back this goes, but then where does it become too much?
Should he be allowed to ruin start ups like he did? Me personally, I would say not at all.
He is more than happy to trash something for being bad, shouldn’t he also expect the same experience in return?
GN made a follow up to the shady comments Linus made regarding this. GN have stated they will make no further comments on this. The ball is clearly in the court of LMG. The common sense thing to do would be to tighten up on the practises. Double down on being right first time. Be prepared to pull videos that show LMG in a bad light. It is pretty obvious from the reactions in here that to not take heed and ignore this, then he will be heading into a spiral dive.
Funny thing is that Steve literally said in the beginning of his video that there would be people like you in the comments. Those who only see this as Internet drama. He goes on to explain why what Linus is doing is not just drama but in fact harmful to the community, other content creators, and potentially any company that submits a product to them for review. In my opinion he’s absolutely right and if you can watch 45 minutes of him talking you’ll probably walk away agreeing with him.
I’m all caught up, and that’s my conclusion. This is a business with a lot of moving parts. What is the implication in all this? That Linus is incompetent, harmful, malicious, greedy? It’s all dumb drama, and I’m pretty disappointed in a lot of people all around in the way it was handled.
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Who is GN? Haven’t seen them before.
https://youtube.com/@GamersNexus and they are talking about this video https://youtu.be/FGW3TPytTjc
Explanation,please
Gamer’s Nexus did a video criticizing LTT’s methodologies and review process. Makes a lot of good points and I hope LTT takes it to heart and improve.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3byz3txpso
Edit: After the shitshow that was Linus’ response, and later their apology video, I was skeptical of their sincerity. Followed by Madison’s horrible experiences and treatment at LMG, and I am done with LMG for good.
They rejected it (see gns news video)
I just saw it, that’s really disappointing. I’ve been watching Linus’ videos since he was still working for NCIX, back when Sandy Bridge was released, and while I have some disagreements with him on some topics, I found him to be generally trustworthy and honest, but his response to GN’s criticism made me realise he lacks the integrity I thought he had.
It is very sad that his company has gotten so massive and they have so many employees that they have to produce an enormous amount of videos every week to function, and if they want to make videos with better quality content, they would need to either make less videos or hire more people. With all the debts LMG took for the lab, he really can’t afford to slow down, so he needs to hire more people to help improve the quality of his video.
I unsubscribed for now, maybe if he makes an honest apology video and a change in their methods I will go back, since I generally enjoy their content from an entertainment standpoint, and like most of the hosts at LMG.
I think the trust me bro stuff with the backpack warranty was the warning sign of things to come with ltt.
I thought it was bizarre too… I really didn’t know what to make of that one, but I haven’t looked into it very deeply because I don’t see myself buying a $250 backpack when my 25 year old backpack does everything I want.
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The Madison thread tho is pretty chilling
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I feel like I’m taking crazy pills and I have the hottest take on the planet, but I really don’t think this is as huge a scandal as everyone wants to make it, and Steve’s motives / vibes are just really suspect in this whole thing.
what exactly is suspect about his motives?
We are talking about youtube where “Drama” is a major motivator and can easily be a way to increase your gain of subs/views. I don’t disagree with many points of GN’s report but I do find the opening a bit peculiar with the whole labs tour statement where Linus does say that was a pretty bad thing for that employee (I think Tim) to say. We just have to remember these kind of feedback loops aren’t that uncommon to see. I have seen similar things with James Stephanie Sterling (Jimquisition) and other youtubers where ragebait/drama posts become a core part of channel and its just an endless war path. Like its no secret GN’s highest rated videos are typically around these kind of topics (Exploding PSUs, Asus stuff, Artesian Builds, Newegg). We shouldn’t blindly follow what gamer nexus has stated since its pretty clearly painted in a very specific light, this isn’t to say disregard everything he said but we shouldn’t act like he is merely a passive observer who is telling everything as it is. There is a clear motive for this kind of thing, right now its clear we are at the everyone has an axe to grind stage of this drama before things settle back down or this could be a full collapse. Who knows but right now I think discussion on this topic will clearly lean heavily on only one direction and any opposition to it will be seen as fanboying.
He’s on the offense, it’s a strategy. What’s his endgame, what are his motives? We’re hearing a lot of one side of the story. I’m naturally suspicious, and need way more information than everyone seems happy to run with.
Yea, it really does sound like you’re taking crazy pills. It’s not a movie, not everyone that critiques someone you like does it as part of their grand plan of world domination. There is a very simple explanation of his motives: he’s a journalist and he’s doing his job, like he always did. Trying to assign some neferious motives to, out of all people, Steve Burke, who has shown nothing but complete integrity in the past, is just absolutely ridiculous.
Relax he is just asking questions and wants to hear both sides. Wait, that sounds familiar…
I think people are treating this with too much hype. It feels like I’m on Reddit. I know it’s incredibly easy to react sensationally, and I don’t blame anyone for doing so, but a little levelheadedness would have been better. More “Huh, there are issues” instead of “Holy crap Linus just got destroyed”.
I agree, this all seems way overblown and Linus’s reply was pretty level-headed. GN’s video seems pretty overblown in that most of it are relatively small errors. And I believe Linus that the auction was a miscommunication in his 100+ employee company.
I fee like people are jumping on the hate bandwagon just because they love the drama, while also forgetting everyone involved are real people and shit just happens sometimes.
