The country will imprison or publicly flog 60 other suspected homosexuals.
This might be the most disturbing news I’ve read this week. Crucifixion is brutal. People are monsters.
Imagine stoning people to death for victimless “crimes” and thinking you’re the good guys.
The effects of religion. Moral is tied to obsolete ideals and logic is nowhere to be found.
I’m pretty sure a similar though goes through the heads of every mass murderer.
imagine a world more complicated than a good guys/bad guys dichotomy
There are very few good guys, but about people crucifying people it’s usually safe to say that they are bad.
There are very few good guys, but about people crucifying people it’s usually safe to say that they are bad.
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Yes, the US was supplying weapons (via Saudi Arabia) to the government of Yemen that was fighting these fucking monsters.
But relax, that war is in a ceasefire now, so everything is fine now, right?
The world may not be the black and white simple thing you’ve been led to believe. Most of the time, if you do something, bad things will happen. If you do nothing, bad things will happen. Most of the time any course of action or inaction will have bad results. There are evil people in the world, and the US is not actually the source of all evil in the world. People have been coming up with reasons to do evil shit long before the US existed.
If the US didn’t supply arms to the Yemeni government would things have turned out better? There’s no way to know that. The only thing that’s certain is the Houthis are horrible monsters.
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It’s the Houthis in Yemen, not “Yemen”.
Grazia Careccia, Amnesty International’s Middle East and North Africa Deputy Director, called the planned executions “gruesome public spectacles” designed to spread fear among LGBTQ+ people and the Yemeni population at large.
Yet when Biden bombs the Houthis, it’s “violation of international law” because the Houthis are the “de facto government of Yemen”. Or at least that was the consensus on Lemmy a couple months back.
Like, I don’t really care. Fuck the Houthis and fuck Israel. But it’s interesting how the Lemmy hivemind picks and chooses who is “the legitimate Yemeni government” based on their personal values.
What. Er, I have no idea what the Lemmy “hivemind” thinks on this (and was more or less taking a summer break from Kbin when the US started bombing the Middle East again).
IMO there’s more than one consensus in news Lemmy depending if you’re on .ml or .world and what time of day it is.I was just pointing out that 1) it’s the Houthis, and 2) they seem to be trying to tighten their grip on the population.
These seem like relevant points given the civil war.
For the record I think the situation in Yemen is a travesty and, being super old, I have spent the past 20 years angrily watching as the US drone-bombed Yemeni civilians and ignored warnings that this radicalises people. Biden bombing now is the US military industrial economy business as usual.
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@sub_ubi “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”?
I like the act of trying to stop a genocide. That doesn’t make me like other actions by whoever is performing the act.
Even more interesting how you are only capable of seeing things in black and white. Stoning people is bad. Bombing people is also bad.
You’re answering an argument I didn’t make. I’m just pointing out that these arguments about “legality” and “legitimacy” in Yemen are stupid as fuck. There is an internationally recognized government, which supports bombing operations but doesn’t control most of Yemen which is controlled by the Houthis, which supposedly support Palestine but in practice are just theocratic Iranian puppets.
Claiming that one is “legitimate” is a political act, and maybe we could be honest about that for five seconds instead of flip-flopping between the two depending on who’s being oppressed.
Most people react to things emotionally, just as you’re doing. So many people will think as you do, “fuck Israel” and this leads people to think that every group in Iran’s “Axis of Resistance” are the good guys. Therefore attacking the Houthis (a part of the Axis of Resistance) is wrong.
Rationalizations that stem from emotion results in some very strange outcomes.
Barbarians.
If you want to know why I’m an atheist.
What kind of entity has 3 different sects of people who all believe this is what it wants?
Religion is a cancer.
You can treat cancer, religion is a parasite that needs to be wiped off the face of the planet.
You can treat cancer but you cannot get rid of it completely. Even treated, cancer is still cancer and could still potentially kill you. Unless, you are able to completely remove it’s existence.
Re-read your comment.
I know what I wrote. A lot of cancer is not capable of being removed completely. I also understand the reference. What’s the point you’re trying to make?
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Atheists can hate gays too.
Don’t blame the structure for the monsters that abuse it.
With all the respect i can muster, you are the one misunderstanding religion’s purpose.
They are not.
If organized religion ever helps humanity at all it is through the good people it inspires to help, the good part of humanity it brings out. The people who focus on that aspect of its tenets would always be good.
But the book(s) and the men who wrote them are as full of power and venom as any other book, and the very idea that one is special by birth is disgusting and small. It is a venal thought shared by the religious and nazis alike.
The cancer is organized religion. There is no bad apple within its core to root, it is itself the problem.
and while the world will never be rid of its mind stifling influence, i will never stop dreaming of the shining day we grow beyond it
The structure was built by monsters. This is the intended use of religion.
You mean the structure that’s completely monster-made?
Well there you have it… there’s no way it will be possible to bomb them (the Houthi’s) back to the stone Age.
I forget, aren’t we supposed to be cheering for the Houthis? I thought that was the new cool thing to be doing.
Support them fighting for Palestinian cause: Yes
Support them persecuring LGBT: No
A particularly group being right on one issue and wrong on another seems too hard for certain people to grasp.
I guess I’ve never been able to figure out which group of Iranian-backed terrorists are the good guys.
When you support the Houthis you support the stoning of homosexuals.
When you support the Houthis you support the stoning of homosexuals.
Oh wow, this really woke me up! I actually don’t support the stoning of homosexuals, I’m not a fucking barbarian.
What I support is the bombing of homosexuals so that’s why I support Joe Biden. For bombing Yemeni homosexuals to death, along with Yemeni women and children and Yemeni everyone else. Thank you so much for opening my eyes to the truth.
No.
And if you say it again it’ll still be wrong.
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Excuse me but “Supporting Palestinian cause”!? They are attacking random trade ships in order to grow political clout and nothing more. Thats like saying because Russia is attacking Ukraine Italy gets to go attack random trade vessels in the Mediterranean. You guys are unable to think beyond headlines.
They are attacking random trade ships in order to grow political clout and nothing more
Source?
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/20/world/middleeast/houthi-red-sea-shipping.html
The Houthis have said that they are seeking to disrupt shipping links with Israel as an attempt to force Israel to end its campaign in Gaza. But ships connected to more than a dozen countries have been targeted, many of them not traveling to or from Israeli ports.
Source?
How does a small group doing a thing constitute it being the “new cool thing to be doing?”
Also, presumably they’re more concerned about a growing conflagration in the Middle East rather than Houthis in particular dying…
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Critical support. They are useful allies even if they do some fucked up things
Oh suddenly we hear about this what a coincidence. I’m incredibly queer and I do not think genocide is ever justified nor is retaliation to economically hindering genocide.
Did you know if you genocide a population, the queer people in that population die horrifically too?
Essentially, fuck all you commenters, don’t fucking use our identity to justify your evil when the reality is that you feel bad for going on gay bashing runs in the 90s. You weren’t a good person then and you aren’t a good person now that you diverted your hatred.
Every queer i know online and offline stands with Palestine. No more fucking death. No more videos of kids being executed to end up on my feed.
Edit: did I fucking say I supported the Houthis blindly? The US had all this time to bomb the Houthis (which would also be fucking awful) but when economical functions with Israel are interrupted suddenly it’s justifiable to just make a bunch of fucking casualties. The anger at the US for bombing Yemen is bipartisan within yemen. How about entities in positions of power just stop fucking bombing people for being morally imperfect? Oh but no of course if they aren’t white then their value is less( you think unconsciously). You are absorbed by propaganda and ideology and any assumptions that you think equally should seriously be reconsidered. You would do diplomacy with a an antsy cop with a gun, why don’t you do diplomacy with someone who isn’t white, oh it’s because propaganda has dehumanised them. Fucking idiots thinking they need to advocate death like it’s a fucking chess game, your as bad as tankies.
Hey, as one of those people who used slurs in the past, I’m sorry. I wasn’t a good person, I followed the crowd. I’m trying hard to be a better person. You don’t have to accept me or my apology. I just want to put it out there. Sorry you and your community was hurt by people like me.
It sounds to me like you’re a good person. The people they’re talking about are the ones who may have stopped hating, say, gay people – but who have redirected their bigotry toward other marginalized groups like trans people or Palestinians.
In my opinion, there’s effectively no such thing as a good or bad person – it’s the words and actions that count. No matter what you’ve done in the past, that’s over now.
This is big of you. Props on growing as a person and admitting fault. We should always welcome new allies in the fight for equality.
This! One of the most disgusting trends I’ve seen are people misappropriating queer symbology to try to queerwash their genocide of Palestinians. They don’t care about us anymore than they care about the children they’re murdering.
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Quote me saying that. I didn’t.
Nice bait, though. Someone who’s not paying attention to the conversation might have been fooled by it.
seconding as a trans person. everyone i know supports palestine to the hilt. you cannot change the situation on the ground for lgbt people in yemen or palestine with war and bombs.
This is not about that. This is about Houthi’s sentencing people to crucification and other extreme forms of punishment.
They will bring this form of punishment wherever they go.
But you can overlook this if you so choose in order to make your political point regarding a different subject.
It looks like our identity is only useful to them for warmongering. God forbid we get healthcare, workplace protections, anything. Instead all we see are our names used to inspire wars we want no part in against countries where our governments literally fund their reactionary parties.
It’s a self-fulfilling cycle, they use us as the symbols and the reason for their destruction and then the orphans left behind mistake their enemy as queer people around the planet and then the West uses us as their casus belli again until they’ve killed every last one. They will never give them a chance to progress socially because the goal is total genocide.
Fuck every warhawk in this comment section using us as their excuse for POINTLESS FUCKING WARS.
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It’s really extreme to look the other way when members of your own group are being killed in horrific ways just so that you can continue to be a part of a fascist cause.
I mean looking the other way when Jews are murdered is kinda par for the course for fascists. But with most people there’s a realization when people of their own group are getting brutally murdered.
It’s also a crazy disconnect from reality when you think reporting on something that is actually happening is a coincidence. Or do you think Amnesty International is part of some international Jewish conspiracy that the antisemitic types go on and on about?
No more videos of kids being executed to end up on my feed.
Maybe you should make adjustments to your feed. It seems to be having a psychological impact on you. This may be the intention of those that are putting these things on your feed. I mean you’ve gotten to the point where you’re looking the other way about the brutality occurring in Yemen because it doesn’t fit the narrative you want, why do you feel it’s important to not look the other way on the brutality of war? What’s the criteria you’re using to determine which horrific acts you look the other way on?
Seems you’re choosing to only look at some brutality to maintain a simple narrative to keep yourself angry.
Do you think that your concern trolling is going to help the general atmosphere of trusting others with mental health, or did you just really want to win an argumentative point?
All official death toll numbers make it clear which is the fascist government (not people, government). There’s a local suburb near me known for gay hate murders, would you say that the government should bomb it?
Or I’ll put it even simpler Queers, Jewish people, Palestinians, Yemenis, Houthis, White people, Prisoners, Civilians and Soldiers and all other human beings all have equal value in their lives and if you can’t account for that in your argument then that’s a bias. If you disagree then frankly you can go fuck yourself until you become a better person. That’s what I believe, why don’t you?
Ah yes, because Houthis stopped a single ship with arms headed to Israel.
They haven’t. The arms for them don’t even go through there.
You know what does? International shipping. Something the whole world, mainly weak import economies who NEED this stuff in the ships
So, you get to decide why people find this abhorrent. And then because of the strawman you handed all these people you then clutch your pearls and call them impure.
But I’m sure the prosecuted people sentenced to an objectively evil form of punishment will be glad you are able to see past that because the purpetrators of these evil deeds support a cause you think is more valuable than their lives.
With friends like you…
But you go ahead, support your cause, alienate people because they are not pure enough. But don’t wonder why the silent majority stays silent. They fear being targeted for not being pure enough for the likes of you and singled out for a struggle session.
Edit, the reason for the punishment is bad enough, the form of punishment combined with the reason causes me to root for more action against the Houthi’s.
The Houthis have NOTHING TO DO WITH PALESTINE. What are you guys on? They are randomly disrupting trade routes in the red sea for political clout and nothing more. Just because they claim it’s to help their Palestinian allies does not give them any agency. That would be like Spain randomly attacking fleets in the Mediterranean to support Ukraine.
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Some people just need to vent even though their worldview is based on a faulty foundation
*Houthis in Yemen
This is like saying “The communist party in china” or “the rebels in the British colonies”. Like, at this point it’s a fairly decided who is in charge of Yemen, and it’s just a matter of waiting for the rest of the world to recognize the facts on the ground.
And the opposing factions, supported by ksa, uae, usa would behave differently? I’m sure cutting off nearly all humanitarian aid under the last administration convinced them we’re more evolved.
I’m just pointing out that whoever posted this decided intentionally to leave the Houthi part out of the headline.
New phone who dis?
The Houthis aren’t the recognized government of Yemen.
They control a large part of the country, and the civil war there is currently in a ceasefire. And of course they’re also attacking shipping in the Red Sea with a back and forth going on with the navies in a coalition led by the US.
But let’s not give these assholes the legitimacy they want by considering them to be the government of Yemen.
They are the legitimate government of Yemen. The decision is not up to you.
So how would you word it differently? It seems that the article is portraying them as a strong power within the nation that is backed by Iran though.
The article’s headline is "Houthis in Yemen will publicly stone & crucify 9 gay men in “gruesome public spectacles”
This is fine. Though the subheader says “The country will imprison or publicly flog 60 other suspected homosexuals”. Should be using words like “the group” or “the faction” not “the country”.
Anyway, the link here is "Yemen will publicly stone & crucify 10 gay men in “gruesome public spectacles”
Not sure the reason for changing it from the headline of the article. Perhaps the linked article did have the same headline as here when OP posted it, and they changed it because of similar feedback I’m making here. Don’t know if OP can change it now. Anyway, it’s been noted in by my comment and other comments, so I guess it’s fine.
Such are the problems inherent in alternative media.
The article in www.lgbtnation.com says:
A Houthi court in Dhamar, Yemen, has sentenced nine people to death on homosexuality charges, according to Amnesty International.
Checking Amnesty International:
Yemen: Huthis must stop executions and release dozens facing LGBTI charges On 23 January, the criminal court in Dhamar in northern Yemen sentenced nine individuals to death – with seven sentenced to be executed by stoning, and two by crucifixion – while 23 others were handed prison sentences between six months and 10 years on charges including “homosexuality”, “spreading immorality”, and “immoral acts”. On 1 February, the court of first instance in Ibb in southern Yemen handed death sentences to 13 students and flogging to three others on charges of ‘spreading homosexuality’.
But without any sources
The article in www.lgbtnation.com says:
“Additionally, a Houthi court in Ibb, Yemen, sentenced 13 students to death and three others to flogging for “spreading homosexuality,” according to Agence France-Presse (AFP).”
When you follow the link it leads to L´OrienteToday, and there are no sources in this web page
Looked in AFP site: NOTHING
The article in www.lgbtnation.com puts an image, if you read the caption it says:
Image released by ISIS showing citizens of Kirkuk stoning the lifeless body of a man executed for being gay.
This image is from 2016 (seearched with TinEye)
Kirkuk is in Irak, and ISIS is known for doing this things, but it is not related to the “new”. Where are Yemen images?
Given that the Houtis are kicking the ass of USA and UK´s Navy these “news” are too convenient. Saudi Arab and UAE used to do this and no news about it, suddenly this “news” about Yemen.
I do not buy it.
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Pinkwashing their imperialism as always.
greg abbott and ron desantis taking notes
They shouldn’t give the GOP any more ideas
The GOP surely inspired some part of this.
Are there any reputable journalistic sources that are reporting on it as well?
All the sources that I can find are Jerusalem Post, Amnesty International, QNews, and the like.
It’s weird that AP, BBC, Al Jazeera, etc. are all silent when this is pretty big news if true.
The Wahabbi interpretation of Sharia law in Saudi Arabia maintains that acts of homosexuality should be disciplined in the same way as adultery - with death by stoning. Homosexuality or nonconformant gender expression can also be punished by corporal punishment, flogging, imprisonment or forced ‘conversion’ therapy.
This isn’t unusual in the Middle East. There’s a number of reasons for this (mostly based on colonialism and imperialism by more powerful players), but this is unfortunately the status quo.
Are you saying there was no stoning of gay people before the Brits arrived? What the hell does “colonialism” have to do with Sharia law that was implement over 600 years ago? I swear “colonialism” is the new popular word of the day on my bingo card.
Are you saying the medieval punishments, state actors dole out in the middle-east are somehow the west’s fault?
Your whole post reads as “it is, what it is” and I find it repugnant.
I would submit there is a mountain of stuff we should not find acceptable, condemn and fight against (figuratively and literally) and the importance of all these subjects is not all the same. It’s probably more pyramid shaped. With genocide at the top, closely followed by things like crucifixion and other (state/state sanctioned on individual) corporal punishments.
This whole punishment has nothing to do with the wider middle east conflict, and as human beings we should damn we’ll have a strong opinion on the matter.
And the fact that Houthi’s claim to help the Palestinians by attacking some shipping is a lie some people are too eager to believe. They are terrorists, religious zealots and murderers. The fact they somehow seem to garner sympathy from willfull idiots only strengthens their ability to sucker more feebleminded people into their recruitment funnel to commit more atrocities in the name of their beliefs.
If your take-away is “this is why it was justified to genocide them” instead of “this is what happens when you genocide them” you’re a monster.
There’s no casual link here. They’re just assholes, all of them.
Edit: causal
Your comment makes no sense, how is them stoning gays justifying (or being caused by) a genocide? The Ukrainians arent turning around and stoning their gay population because Russia is invading, its a really nonsensical thing to say.
Have people already forgot the “war” in Yemen?
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This is very unfortunate.
But surely this is because Arabs are inherently savage and backwards, and has nothing to do with all the wars and bombs that created the worse humanitarian crisis of the century. (sarcasm)
You act as if this is not done in other less war torn and unfortunate regions there. These people and their organized delusion have plenty of agency and this is how they choose to exercise it.
Nothing to do with their race or genes.
The organizers of this while shebang are rich, powerful individuals with the ability to travel the world and do what they want and need for the people they claim to want to help.
They then go around to paint targets on their own as this gets them clicks, likes and subscribes.
the worse humanitarian crisis of the century
Comparing tragedies doesn’t really make sense but you should look up the Tigray Way before making that claim
Here’s a source for the claim if you’re interested. Google will reveal more.
That’s some serious triple summersault mental gymnastics to defend the Houthis. Might as well go back and start with the cooling of the earth 4 billion years ago if you really want to know the culprit.
Any argument I can address here or you just voicing your frustration out loud with my opinions?
This is what manufacturing consent looks like. Reminds me a lot of 2001 and 2002 during the war on Afghanistan and preparing for a war on Iraq.
The West’s media is running overdrive to demonize Yemenis.
