Voting for someone that does not represent you because you are more scared of the other guy is indistinguishable, as a signal, from someone that fully supports them. By voting against your own interests you are actively undermining the democratic process.
Democracy has forever been synonymous with class based societies. It has split entire countries into two barely-distinctive political parties (conservative and “progressive”) that are nevertheless permanently at each other’s throats. Even in its most libertarian-friendly forms, it has constantly failed to avert hierarchy, coercion and the authoritarian machinations of majority-groups.
If you actually look at my comments, you will see that i have not posted anything pro trump. Why is being critical of biden and establishment dems pro trump? Definitionally it is not.
have i gone to your account and commented on multiple comment threads that i wasn’t originally a part of to come and say you are lib spam? no, so i already have fucked off lol. you are the one that needs to fuck off.
Abe Lincoln could be argued as a 3rd party candidate who won since prior to him it was mainly the whigs and democrats as the two main parties.
Now if you asked what grassroots-led 3rd party candidate overwhelmed the two major parties in a shocker of an election, that obviously never happened.
The last Whig president*, Zachary Taylor, was a political outsider that beat out an experienced politician (familiar?). He was running under the Whig banner because the whigs didn’t have a solution for the issue of slavery- Zachary Taylor was a crude extremely rich celebrity soldier and slave owner who never voted. He was ambiguous on his stance on the future of slavery in America. But the anti slavery wing of the whigs hated this. Taylor ruined the Whig party and it never recovered. Lincoln picked up the anti-slavery whig voters, creating the Republican Party.
The modern day Republicans are only held together with trump and I’m not sure what will happen to their party afterwards. Maybe there’ll be another party “flip” when the Republican Party crumbles, a new more left wing party will rise up as the democrats absorb the former Republican voters, causing the progressive democrats to flee the party. This would be the next success of a “3rd party” candidate. But this won’t happen as long as trump continues to be on the ballot.
*there was Millard Fillmore as the 13th, but this was because Taylor died in office and Fillmore succeeded him as president.
You just sailed over the point where moderates fight us and it’s considered fair game. We fight moderates and they have a meltdown. Moderates are relying on leftist and progressives to win general elections while fucking them over at every opportunity.
Surely you can see the foolishness of that strategy yes?
And yet it’s irrelevant. I have no reason to engage that point, because people immediately being horribly hurt by looming electoral consequences supersedes the importance of long-term systemic change.
Nobody disagrees that systemic change is needed, but it is not the most important or immediate problem.
In the USA, voting Third Party is just helping Republicans, aka. the Fascists.
If you want to change something, organise and unionise.
But dont throw away Democracy, just to be the smuggest guy in the concentraition-camp in the end…
Voting for someone that does not represent you because you are more scared of the other guy is indistinguishable, as a signal, from someone that fully supports them. By voting against your own interests you are actively undermining the democratic process.
Democracy has forever been synonymous with class based societies. It has split entire countries into two barely-distinctive political parties (conservative and “progressive”) that are nevertheless permanently at each other’s throats. Even in its most libertarian-friendly forms, it has constantly failed to avert hierarchy, coercion and the authoritarian machinations of majority-groups.
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If you actually look at my comments, you will see that i have not posted anything pro trump. Why is being critical of biden and establishment dems pro trump? Definitionally it is not.
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have i gone to your account and commented on multiple comment threads that i wasn’t originally a part of to come and say you are lib spam? no, so i already have fucked off lol. you are the one that needs to fuck off.
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trans rights now!
sure cause i have said so many positive things about trump
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says the account now spamming me lol
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Moderates sabotage those efforts.
But they occasionally work. Name 1 3rd party candidate that has won the presidential election and shut the fuck up.
Make 1 president that won’t win if y’all keep it up and sue the fuck up
Abe Lincoln could be argued as a 3rd party candidate who won since prior to him it was mainly the whigs and democrats as the two main parties.
Now if you asked what grassroots-led 3rd party candidate overwhelmed the two major parties in a shocker of an election, that obviously never happened.
The last Whig president*, Zachary Taylor, was a political outsider that beat out an experienced politician (familiar?). He was running under the Whig banner because the whigs didn’t have a solution for the issue of slavery- Zachary Taylor was a crude extremely rich celebrity soldier and slave owner who never voted. He was ambiguous on his stance on the future of slavery in America. But the anti slavery wing of the whigs hated this. Taylor ruined the Whig party and it never recovered. Lincoln picked up the anti-slavery whig voters, creating the Republican Party.
The modern day Republicans are only held together with trump and I’m not sure what will happen to their party afterwards. Maybe there’ll be another party “flip” when the Republican Party crumbles, a new more left wing party will rise up as the democrats absorb the former Republican voters, causing the progressive democrats to flee the party. This would be the next success of a “3rd party” candidate. But this won’t happen as long as trump continues to be on the ballot.
*there was Millard Fillmore as the 13th, but this was because Taylor died in office and Fillmore succeeded him as president.
Huh that’s pretty neat.
You just sailed over the point where moderates fight us and it’s considered fair game. We fight moderates and they have a meltdown. Moderates are relying on leftist and progressives to win general elections while fucking them over at every opportunity.
Surely you can see the foolishness of that strategy yes?
And yet it’s irrelevant. I have no reason to engage that point, because people immediately being horribly hurt by looming electoral consequences supersedes the importance of long-term systemic change.
Nobody disagrees that systemic change is needed, but it is not the most important or immediate problem.
Free pass for moderates. Lectures for everybody else. Got it.
No thanks.