Education is, unironically, the best tool to combat inequality, but the effect only kicks in after the students have finished school.
In the meantime, uniforms cut down on bullying. What else do you want them to do? They don’t have a magic wand, nor do they have magic money to hand out to struggling parents.
Edit: unironically some of the dumbest takes I’ve ever read on the internet in this thread.
I never saw someone got bullied for their clothes in my environment.
But kids got bullied for wearing glasses, let’s hope they ban those then. Also, better to not let kids with weird accents in school. Wouldn’t want to provoke the bullies.
So you got rid of one reason to bully, so bullies shifted to other stuff. How does this help now? Are there some studies, that prove school uniforms lead to quantitative less bullying? If yes, I would be interested in that.
Maybe we should seriously address the issues of the individual bullies. Instead of just banning them from school for a week. And teach the teachers how to do that. Maybe we should start creating a public school system that’s able to take care of the kids.
I am sure there are quite a lot of teachers with good ideas, maybe the lawmakers should listen to them. Although mandatory uniforms likely might turn out as being cheaper, especially when the parents have to pay for them equally, whether they’re rich or poor.
“The literature identified indicates that uniforms have no direct impact on academic performance, yet directly impact physical and psychological health.”
“The literature identified indicates that uniforms have no direct impact on academic performance, yet directly impact physical and psychological health.”
Maybe instead of throwing money for uniforms it could be used to hire teachers, repair the building, or buy furnitures? Just a couple of ideas you know…
There’s no good option for it : either the parents pay for the uniform and it’s a tax fir the poors, or the government pay for it and the money would be far better spent on teachers and stuff.
Secondary, the blazer alone is like $400 and there’s only one store where you can get it. Eventually he’ll lose it and we’ll have a big discussion about money.
Mate, welcome to port Melbourne college. I may be off with the exact number on the blazer but a basic set of uniform with 3 shirts, pants an single blazer was close to 1k . Nitpick as much as you want but I have the receipts and they are hurtful.
Add to that a laptop, because port Melbourne primary used iPad but nooo, not enough for college.
In what way? Poor children wouldn’t afford the same attire as rich people, no matter with or without uniform. You can still have more expensive and therefore bully those that don’t have the expensive ones. You can still bully a kid for having a cheap Android phone and not the latest Big McChicken Pro Max™ iPhone; you get the gist.
Uniforms just hide the issues of classism and never deal with them directly or even attempt to solve them at all.
Oh some do, but it’s certainly something which could use a lot more funds. That would definitely be much better at tackling bullying than school uniforms.
What do you think these “underlying issues” that contribute to inequality are?
I was talking about the “underlying issues” of bullies.
I’ve noticed that people on Lemmy aren’t happy with incremental change for the better. It always has to be a magic solution that solves everything. It’s pretty silly but also understandable considering the demographics of Lemmy.
How about actually tackling inequality instead of trying to hide it?
Education is, unironically, the best tool to combat inequality, but the effect only kicks in after the students have finished school.
In the meantime, uniforms cut down on bullying. What else do you want them to do? They don’t have a magic wand, nor do they have magic money to hand out to struggling parents.
Edit: unironically some of the dumbest takes I’ve ever read on the internet in this thread.
Do they? I don’t think so, people are just gonna get bullied with different “reasons”, it’s not really about the clothes after all.
I never saw someone got bullied for their clothes in my environment.
But kids got bullied for wearing glasses, let’s hope they ban those then. Also, better to not let kids with weird accents in school. Wouldn’t want to provoke the bullies.
So you got rid of one reason to bully, so bullies shifted to other stuff. How does this help now? Are there some studies, that prove school uniforms lead to quantitative less bullying? If yes, I would be interested in that.
It’s called sarcasm, babes
Bullying exists, therefore, we should give up and do nothing.😊
Maybe we should seriously address the issues of the individual bullies. Instead of just banning them from school for a week. And teach the teachers how to do that. Maybe we should start creating a public school system that’s able to take care of the kids.
I am sure there are quite a lot of teachers with good ideas, maybe the lawmakers should listen to them. Although mandatory uniforms likely might turn out as being cheaper, especially when the parents have to pay for them equally, whether they’re rich or poor.
Well you sound like you know more than all those other people, why don’t you let them know about your expertise?
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You won’t read it, but here you go anyway
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8386814/
Doesn’t sound like concrete evidence to me
If someone changed their mind after reading a single study, you could get them to believe anything.
And yet most people on Lemmy base their beliefs on a single online article
That’s because you’re cherry picking.
“The literature identified indicates that uniforms have no direct impact on academic performance, yet directly impact physical and psychological health.”
That’s because you’re cherry picking.
“The literature identified indicates that uniforms have no direct impact on academic performance, yet directly impact physical and psychological health.”
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Mixed data isn’t disproof.
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Your feelings don’t qualify as disproof, chum.
Look up the evidence yourself. No need to show the world how bitter you are that a teacher once gave you a detention for being insufferable.
There is enough magic money to distribute if France (and every other country) would tax the rich.
France already taxes the riches quite a bit.
That’s not even true. Children can differentiate between the cheap and expensive uniforms
Aren’t they provided by the school? Or can you have a super high class tailor make you a uniform? I have no idea about school uniforms.
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Maybe instead of throwing money for uniforms it could be used to hire teachers, repair the building, or buy furnitures? Just a couple of ideas you know…
Do the whole pay for the uniforms? Here in Australia parents do, and it’s ridiculously expensive.
There’s no good option for it : either the parents pay for the uniform and it’s a tax fir the poors, or the government pay for it and the money would be far better spent on teachers and stuff.
What about no uniforms and no one pays for price gouged, single source clothes?
Ridiculously expensive? I’m in Australia too, how much do you think they cost?
Primary is affordable cause you just go into bigw
Secondary, the blazer alone is like $400 and there’s only one store where you can get it. Eventually he’ll lose it and we’ll have a big discussion about money.
There is no state school that requires a $400 blazer
Mate, welcome to port Melbourne college. I may be off with the exact number on the blazer but a basic set of uniform with 3 shirts, pants an single blazer was close to 1k . Nitpick as much as you want but I have the receipts and they are hurtful.
Add to that a laptop, because port Melbourne primary used iPad but nooo, not enough for college.
Literally half the price you claimed.
You’re missing the point. None of those things would help poor kids not appear poor and get bullied.
Uniform doesn’t help for this either.
makes the poor kids look the same
In what way? Poor children wouldn’t afford the same attire as rich people, no matter with or without uniform. You can still have more expensive and therefore bully those that don’t have the expensive ones. You can still bully a kid for having a cheap Android phone and not the latest Big McChicken Pro Max™ iPhone; you get the gist.
Uniforms just hide the issues of classism and never deal with them directly or even attempt to solve them at all.
i know? thats why i said it makes them Look the same. in my country we only have one set of uniform, not multiple.
Pretty sure they do those things already. No mention of those things being lacking in the article.
Amazing that some random guy on the internet thinks he knows better than an accredited and experienced headmaster.
You must not be aware of the situation in France…
How about working with troubled kids to address the underlying issues?
You think schools don’t have councillors? What do you think these “underlying issues” that contribute to inequality are?
Oh some do, but it’s certainly something which could use a lot more funds. That would definitely be much better at tackling bullying than school uniforms.
I was talking about the “underlying issues” of bullies.
I’ve noticed that people on Lemmy aren’t happy with incremental change for the better. It always has to be a magic solution that solves everything. It’s pretty silly but also understandable considering the demographics of Lemmy.
Nah they like fancy clothes better, they know it will work. In the meantime, they will also cut 8000 jobs from education too.