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French President Emmanuel Macron met with parliamentary parties on Thursday. During the meeting Macron said he was open to the possibility of sending troops to Ukraine, as announced by, according to French newspaper L’Independant.
Fabien Roussel, a representative of the French Communist Party, said after the meeting that “Macron referenced a scenario that could lead to intervention [of French troops]: the advancement of the front towards Odesa or Kyiv.”
He noted that the French President showed parliamentarians maps of the possible directions of strikes by Russian troops in Ukraine.
Following the meeting, Jordan Bardella of the far-right National Rally party noted that “there are no restrictions and no red lines” in Macron’s approach.
So your proposal is what, let Putin fuck Ukraine? Then Moldova and Georgia? Then maybe the Baltics? Have you not reasoned through the consequences of abandoning Ukraine?
Ppl on this site sometimes act like war doesnt need to happen if they just dont believe in it, personally. I get it, im a pacifist, too. War is evil and hellish. This is a fact.
It is also a fact that russia invaded Ukraine and has on numerous occasions now called it a stepping stone. If u dont want a war, youve already got one! If you dont want it at your doorstep (bc thats the closest youll get to avoiding it), then Ukraine must be better funded and equiped.
We’re not the only ones with wants, we’re not the only ones with plans. Countries have them, too, ans some countries happen to be much more hostile towards ppl who like having their wants and needs free from government intervention.
They are arguing in bad faith and they know it. The peace-absolutism is in a long tradition of pro-Soviet propaganda, where the only obstacle to eternal world peace was countries (particularly those opposing the Soviet Union) having any military at all. (Soviet Union was of course allowed to have a strong military to “protect” itself from Western, particularly US, “aggression”).
All of the calls for “peace” and “diplomacy” now are exactly the same: calls to stop actively resisting Russian aggression, and in the longer term to destroy your capability of being able to resist in the first place. And, if possible, to simply roll over to all Russian demands because you aren’t being “diplomatic” otherwise.
War, in this propagandistic view, is only caused by the country being invaded defending itself; after all, if they simply allowed Russia to take over, there would be no war. In the best case, the situation would have been solved through “diplomacy”, i.e. simply agreeing to all Russian demands. That way war would have been avoided, right?
And because no sensible person wants war, the leaders saying “no” to Russian demands (and who therefore must not want diplomacy, right?) must want war either because they’re corrupt and want to profit off of the war, because they’re “russophobic” “nazis” who “unreasonably” hate Russia, or because they’re being used as pawns by someone else, most likely the US. Because no one wants war, and therefore should be willing to conduct diplomacy over any questions (i.e. roll over to Russian demands) if they were not being manipulated in some way. And that is why poor Russia is “forced” to invade countries because of the US and the West, because being US pawns they are not willing to be diplomatic (i.e. agree to all Russian demands).
Anyone in the West supporting the invaded country is therefore a “warmongerer” if they do not support “diplomacy” (= letting Russia have whatever they want). Because there would be no war if Russia could just do whatever they want with no resistance.
Fucking. Preach.
I cant word that half as eloquently as you; you are spot on. Like, every bit of this rant is spot on.
Ukraine and all other countries in the world are invisible lines draw on a map. Politicians do not fight they wars and do not give a fuck about people, look at how all the countries supporting ukraine are supporting the genocide in gaza at the same time.
We are already walking on a thin line, if a normal bomb accidentally hits a nuclear plant in ukraine prepare to abandon half of the world.
There are a thousand of better solutions to solve this conflict that even a kid could come up with. Truth is they don’t want to solve it, politicians are mentally hill people competing with each others for world domination. They profit on war, they want more of it not less, they want more power not less. Russians are chilling in Dubai, where are the sanctions against Arabia and its dictators?
You’re saying as if either France sends troops or Putin conquers Ukraine. What Ukraine needs is machinery and ammunition.
You just don’t see another way? Is it war or war? Diplomacy and peace is just not an option anymore? I hope your point of view derives from the hope no more people lose their homes nor their lives in Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia, etc. and not from playing strategy games thousands of kilometers away. “We tried diplomacy and didn’t work” you might say. And you would be right. But they should try harder (politicians). We pay them for that, and all they can come up with is just sending innocent people out to die.
War is forced on us, you fool. One way or another, we will have to confront putin. Yes, it is war or war. wtf do you think has been going on for a decade?
I don’t know, why don’t we ask Neville Chamberlain?
It’s difficult to be diplomatic when the other guy is actively attacking you.
Particularly as Russian diplomacy tends to be, “do what we say and we might not hurt you more for the time being”.