• i_have_no_enemies@lemmy.worldOP
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    8 months ago

    are you actually serious? israelis surrendering to hamas eventhough hamas attacked first?

    this website is cooked

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      8 months ago

      Yes, Hamas attacked first on October 7th, and before that it was all sunshine and daisies and everyone held hands and sang and Israel definitely hasn’t been conquering Palestine since 1948.

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        8 months ago

        Israelis can just go back to the lands they were originally driven from, right?…

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          8 months ago

          Which we can keep tracing back to ceasefires that keep being broken by israel such as the Al Aqsa raid.

          Point is that the notion that this somehow started on oct7 while israel was bombing Gaza just two weeks before is ridiculous. There was no ceasefire at the moment of the attack.

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            8 months ago

            My understanding is that Hamas has also repeatedly broken ceasefires. It doesn’t seem like the ceasefire agreements are as effective as they should be.

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              8 months ago

              Because israel keeps attacking the west bank. They just can’t help themseles from not doing ethnic cleansing. Or claiming Hamas fired a rocket and just attacking Gaza.

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                8 months ago

                I am by no means an expert, but I’ve been hearing about the conflict from both sides for several decades now. My take away is that both sides seem ideologically opposed to the existence of the other.

                If Israel stopped all aggression today, I don’t think it would stop the rockets; likewise Palestine could halt all aggression and still be attacked by the IDF. Lasting peace will require a shift in perspective, which gets harder to imagine with every day of the invasion.

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                  8 months ago

                  Heavily disagree. Israel has always been the agressor especially in the west bank. The entire existence of israel is illogical if not for them being a colonial agressor.

                  Their strategy is to violate boundaries until someone retaliates and then they “self defense”.

                  They used to drive their tractors over borders even when told they could not. Then when they went so deep they got shot, they needed to “defend themselves” onto their land. As a “buffer zone”.

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                    8 months ago

                    I can see an argument for Israel being the original aggressor, but the idea that Palestinians have never taken a turn is baffling.

                    If Israel were to cease all aggression immediately, would a lasting peace follow? It seems like a lot of people won’t be satisfied unless Israel is removed from the Levant.