I looked up a list of Lemmy World instances and signed up for a bunch, but how do I see everything at once in one app instead of downloading one for each instance? I am new to what the kids call “federation.” Thank you.

  • rm_dash_r_star@lemm.eeEnglish
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    1 year ago

    I’m going to have a go at explaining how to use Lemmy in a simple way.

    You only need one good instance to access all of Lemmy, but it can be nice to have an alternate in case the primary goes offline for some reason. For best network performance try instances in your region. You can sort instances by country here; https://the-federation.info/platform/73 When you find one that works well for you, make it your regular login instance.

    Once you find a home instance, go to lemmyverse.net/communities to find communities of interest. Copy the link on lemmyverse by clicking on it (i.e. [email protected]) then paste into the search box on the communities page in Lemmy. Click on the listing from the search results then select the Subscribe button. It may show “Pending” for a short time then turn to “Joined”. If it doesn’t change right away don’t worry about it. You’re in even though it may look stuck.

    The front page view defaults to Local, you don’t want that. Go to your profile settings and set the view to “Subscribed” (you could use “All”, but your front page will have a ton of junk you don’t want to see).

    That’s it, you’re ready to use Lemmy. Of course this is for desktop browser. I’m not familiar with the Liftoff mobile app for Lemmy so I don’t have directions for that.

    Additional; there’s other things to know about such as federation which involves blocked and linked instances, but to start just avoid communities on beehaw.org since that instance is one known to block other legit instances. If there is a community on beehaw.org you really want to interact with, you have to check your login instance is not blocked there. There’s a procedure for that, but I’ll spare you the information overload.

    Okay, hope that helps and enjoy!

    • Favrion@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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      1 year ago

      I use Liftoff for at least Lemmy World. I used the browser to sign up for each individual instance and get approved because Liftoff only recognizes Lemmy World.

      • Meekajahama@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        1 year ago

        You can just search for something like Android and it’ll show all the communities including the instance it’s on and join; you don’t need multiple logins.

        The app I use, wefwef, also can view all communities in the feed along with your subscribed or just local instance communities. I’d assume liftoff is similar but I’ve never used it.

          • GatoB@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            1 year ago

            The plataform is Lemmy, lemmy.world is a server, there are apps for the entire plataform not only one server. That means than you can use any app to connect to lemmy.world, lemmy.ml, beehaw.org and so on

          • Meekajahama@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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            1 year ago

            Exactly what gatob said. Lemmy is the platform that all instances (Lemmy.world, lemmy.ml, etc) connect to.

            All apps work with all instances. There’s jerboa, connect, wefwef (soon renamed to voyager thank god), liftoff, with more coming soon (boost & sync of reddit fame)

      • prayer@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        1 year ago

        Liftoff works with multiple servers. Go to account, gear in the top right, accounts, menu in bottom right, add server.

    • krayj@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      1 year ago

      You only need to sign up for one instance.

      It would be so nice if this were true.

      You need to sign up with every instance that isn’t federated with an instance you’ve already signed up for.

      So, for example, if you have a Lemmy.world account, and you want to subscribe and post to a community hosted by beehaw.org, you also need to create and maintain a beehaw.org account.

      As the fediverse gets more mature, news of de-federation between big/popular instances becomes more common.

          • willya@lemmyf.ukEnglish
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            1 year ago

            I doubt it was meant to be helpful. It’s just the reality. Just as a lot of people left Reddit for specific reasons. The same will probably apply to different instances choosing to block off large chunks of the fediverse.

          • emcon_delta@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            1 year ago

            Not really. If the admins of that instance don’t want to federated, that’s their prerogative. They’ll gain or lose users based on that decision. The beauty of the fediverse is that it’s all on a voluntary basis. If beehaw decides to federate with a small cluster of other instances, then they’ll have their own niche just like the current internet.

        • krayj@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          1 year ago

          If there’s content at beehaw that a user wants to subscribe to and comment on, then it’s more than just beehaw’s problem, it’s also makes it the user’s problem…and that means creating and maintaining logins on multiple servers.

          • emcon_delta@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            1 year ago

            But that’s no different than the current internet. Like I said, it’s beehaw’s problem. If they want to strictly enforce native users on their instance and have their stricter account creation process to join their community, then that’s no different than the current internet.

            • orca@orcas.enjoying.yachtsEnglish
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              1 year ago

              And depending on the app you use, adding and switching to multiple accounts can be easy. I use Memmy which emulates Apollo’s account switcher.

      • Meekajahama@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        1 year ago

        While true, it sounds like communities from instances that un-federate should be avoided. More users are on other instances so the beehaw ones should be left to die in obscurity

  • Mechanize@feddit.itEnglish
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    1 year ago

    I’ll try to simplify some concepts about the Fediverse and Lemmy using some more common IT knowledge.

    I assume you are familiar with emails: gmail, protonmail, hotmail, aol, each of them runs a Server which will give you access, when registered, to a mailbox which will have a name of your choice, followed by an AT(@), and then a Domain specific to the vendor you have chosen.

    ID

    Lemmy works in a similar way: When you choose an instance (for example lemmy.world, or lemmy.ml, or feddit.de, you can find a list here: https://lemmyverse.net ) you are choosing where your account will live. You’ll get a full ID composed by your name of choice followed by an @ and then the domain of your chosen instance.

    In your case your full ID is [email protected] . This is unique to you in the whole Fediverse.

    Communities

    Contrary to emails we have another abstraction: Communities. They are collections of posts and comments, moderated by someone and about a specific subject. These communities will reside on a specific server, like your account, and you can, for example, go to [email protected] or [email protected] . As you can see their format is similar to that of your account: they have both a community name, the name before the @, and a domain that specifies where the main copy of it physically resides.

    You can find a full, searchable, list of communities here: https://lemmyverse.net/communities For some more complex reasons just disregards any of them that reside on beehaw.org (they have defederated with lemmy.world, but you don’t need to understand this concept yet).

    Feeds

    When you start to look around the lemmy.world site, and you are logged in with your lemmy.world account, you’ll have the ability to follow three different types of feed: Subscribed, Local, All.

    Local: This feed shows only communities which main copy actually resides on the instance that you are currently on.
    All: All the posts from all the communities of all the instances will appear here.
    Subscribed: All the posts from the communities that you have subscribed to will show here.

    Federation

    Until now the concepts were pretty straightforward and not so dissimilar from other services, but now starts the more complex subject: Federation.

    For all this different instances (computers running the Lemmy server) to have the information it needs to spread and they need to duplicate it.

    This will allow you to see the same exact content whichever instance your account is on: this means that if you have chosen to create an account on lemmy.world or lemmy.ml it, generally speaking, doesn’t matter. You will see and interact with the same content and people.

    Your instance is just the gate towards the content, which you have to always pass through (so no, you shouldn’t make an account in each instance, you just need one, and you should choose an instance which rules and values are acceptable for you and, better yet, similar to yours).

    Going back to the previous comparison with email services you can think of this as: Each time you take an action (writing a post, a comment, sending an upvote) you are really just sending an email to all the instances, so they get notified and update their copy of the content.

    An email saying something along the lines of “[email protected] has just downvoted the post number 69420 in the community 42 of the instance 123” will propagate until every single server has received it.

    Defederation

    Defederation is the strength and the weakness of the whole fediverse: it helps to moderate the content but it also breaks the web connecting all the servers.

    Each instance automatically connects itself with all the others present in the net, but an Admin can actively decide that some other instance - maybe because it is full of Bots, or Scammers, or contains communities clearly voted to illegal or immoral things, or just they don’t like it; the reasons are subjective - really rustled their jimmies and they don’t want to see it anymore. In that case the Admin could decide to Defederate from them: this means that each time a new email from that instance comes it just get dropped and ignored.

    So, if Instance A defederates from instance B, each time B sends an update to the content produced by the communities or people from B it will just be ignored by A. All the users registered on A will just not see anything or anyone from B.

    Basically an instance wide shadow-ban.

    Conclusion

    This was just a quick and rough explanation of the concepts, but I hope it was useful: if you have any question I’ll try to answer them at the best of my abilities. But keep in mind that they are not really high. And I’m kinda tipsy.

    The main takeaways are this:

    • You only need an account in a single instance.
    • You can subscribe to any community that you want, wherever they are.
    • You can search instances and communities here: https://lemmyverse.net
    • You should choose an instance that has similar values as you.
    • Sometimes the federation (the mails sent around between the servers) can get slow, but all content will be eventually consistent. Kinda.
    • Communities are sprouting around at high speed, there are a lot of duplicates and everything is in flux, try to be patience.
    • Just try to have fun and be happy.

    EDIT: Typos.

  • CrimeRadish@mander.xyzEnglish
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    1 year ago

    Others are already attempting to explain everything so I will try to just focus on solving your problem.

    You are using the app Lift Off and you have linked your lemmy.world account. From the main screen click the icon in the top middle of your screen and select “ALL” under the lemmy.world section to see posts from all communities on instances that are federated with lemmy.world. That’s all you need to do to see posts from all the other instances.