• wurzelgummidge@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    Unless, of course, your plan is to draw Iran into a wider war. Which is what both Israel and the neocons have been gagging for, for years

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          7 months ago

          You get the shorter version of the answer I gave to the other person. The longer version might be relevant later.

          If Israel is committing genocide (which is not), it’s the worst implementation of such policy. They could kill hundreds of thousands of people in a few days, and that never happened.

          Also, you conveniently forgot to mention Hamas’ massacres on October 7th. That’s the only reason for the ground invasion.

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            7 months ago

            And if you did that the world actually would step in.

            If you do it slowly by starvation and fear tactics you can achieve your goals over time by them dying and fleeing

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        7 months ago

        The ones in power sure are. They’re literally on a genocide spree right now killing tens of thousands of civilians indiscriminately for the crime of not being born Jewish.

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          7 months ago

          It’s clear to me, based on what you’ve said, that you know nothing about Israelis (Arab and Jews), Jewish culture and history, Israeli politics (foreign and internal) and Middle East geopolitics.

          How come you write with such confidence about something you know nothing about?

          If Israel is committing genocide (which is not), it’s the worst implementation of such policy. They could kill hundreds of thousands of people in a few days, and that never happened.

          Also, you conveniently forgot to mention Hamas’ massacres on October 7th. That’s the only reason for the ground invasion.

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            7 months ago

            It’s clear to me you know nothing about it. How can you write with such confidence about something you know nothing about?

            They are committing a genocide before our eyes and the attack on Oct 7 does not give anyone the right to commit their own massacre or genocide.

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              7 months ago

              You didn’t address this point.

              If Israel is committing genocide (which is not), it’s the worst implementation of such policy. They could kill hundreds of thousands of people in a few days, and that never happened.

              This is also relevant to you. You haven’t established any knowledge about any of those issues.

              It’s clear to me, based on what you’ve said, that you know nothing about Israelis (Arab and Jews), Jewish culture and history, Israeli politics (foreign and internal) and Middle East geopolitics.

              It is correct that 2 wrongs doesn’t make a right. And you still haven’t demonstrated that there are massacres or a genocide in Gaza committed by the IDF.

              the attack on Oct 7 does not give anyone the right to commit their own massacre or genocide.

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                7 months ago

                It’s common knowledge at this point that they are doing a genocide. The the words of the ICJ Israel should do everything to stop doing one

                https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-68097640

                https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20240126-ord-01-00-en.pdf

                The Court considers that, with regard to the situation described above, Israel must, in accordance with its obligations under the Genocide Convention, in relation to Palestinians in Gaza, take all measures within its power to prevent the commission of all acts within the scope of Article II of this Convention, in particular: (a) killing members of the group; (b) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; © deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; and (d) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group. The Court recalls that these acts fall within the scope of Article II of the Convention when they are committed with the intent to destroy in whole or in part a group as such (see paragraph 44 above). The Court further considers that Israel must ensure with immediate effect that its military forces do not commit any of the above-described act

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                  7 months ago

                  Excuse me, can you even read? Please cite a direct quote from the ICJ ruling that clearly states that Israel is committing a genocide. Can you do it? Of course not, because they never did.

                  You are still avoiding addressing this point.

                  You haven’t established any knowledge about any of those issues.

                  It’s clear to me, based on what you’ve said, that you know nothing about Israelis (Arab and Jews), Jewish culture and history, Israeli politics (foreign and internal) and Middle East geopolitics.

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                    7 months ago

                    So the count ruling that it appears to be a genocide and to stop doing the genocidal acts while we continue the case isn’t proof enough? What would you need?

                    I’m asking you what your qualifications are to say no one can talk about the area

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            7 months ago

            Dude they want plausible deniability, they want to have no responsibility in doing so. It’s pretty obvious what Israels goal is and has been for the last decades. Steal land, just look at the west bank or even a map.

            You’ve been brainwashed by your own government to support Israel in it’s crime spree.

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            7 months ago

            Do you get paid per argument? You mentioned a lot of unrelated stuff lol

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              7 months ago

              Why would anyone pay me? I’m just a random guy on the internet.

              Do you get paid per argument?

              All the things I’ve mentioned are relevant. Many people are talking out of their asses without knowing anything about this conflict. They don’t make the minimum effort to learn the basic things, they just follow the mob and reuse their words without understanding any of it. Some Israelis do it, some westerners do it, some arabs do it.
              And all of these useful idiots are being manipulated by Islamists, radical left people, white supremacists.

              You mentioned a lot of unrelated stuff lol