• nick@midwest.social
    9·
    11 months ago

    I saw you at the festival standing in front of the WBC wannabes, but the flag was not blowing so we didn’t see the DON’T. the guy i was with was about to yell at you (for what little good that would do, in reality), but the wind blew and we saw the DON’T.

    i like the cut of your jib, sir.

  • FistfulOfStars@kbin.social
    4·
    11 months ago

    I’m a bit dense… What are those supposed to be? Rifles with bayonets?

    Is there a significance to the number? (I think I counted 15?)

    • anon6789@beehaw.org
      3·
      11 months ago

      They are rifle rounds. You can see the cartridge case necked down and the line where the case is crimped into the bullet.

  • Andy@slrpnk.net
    211·
    11 months ago

    I’m gonna be the guy to say why I don’t like this.

    1. Anytime I see someone apply dehumanizing language to a group of people – no matter how vile – I immediately wonder if this person is motivated by a desire to protect anything or if they are just excited to have found an outlet that allows them to indulge violent desires without jeopardizing their social standing.

    2. This is precisely the type of message and messenger the FBI uses to infiltrate and entrap antifacists. OP, I think it’s very unlikely that you’re an undercover FBI informant, but you should read up about Micky Windecker, because you’re wearing the uniform of an FBI informant and their targets.

    • RegularGoose@sh.itjust.works
      7·
      11 months ago

      Dehumanizing people for their objectively evil anddangerous, consciously chosen, and often acted upon beliefs is not comparable to dehumanizing people for their inherent, involuntary attributes.

      If an ideology revolves around harming or oppressing innocent people, its followers are a threat to society and is undeserving of sympathy, compassion, or a place among us, and should be treated accordingly. People who actually act on those beliefs are even worse, and are deserving of permanent removal from society.

      Democracy and human rights were only ever possible through violent struggle against authoritarian ideologies, and can only be maintained through the same. To advocate tolerance of those ideologies is to advocate the fall of civilized society.

      • Andy@slrpnk.net
        23·
        11 months ago

        I think you’ve misread my comment.

        I don’t care if someone carrying a black lives matter flag tells me they support the use of violence against fascists. That’s fine.

        It’s when someone shows up and says that harm is the priority. I have no indication from this photo what OP stands for. And so I can’t help but wonder. Did he show up because he opposes Nazis? Or because he was looking for someone to hurt, and discovered that they were a permitted target? If so, I don’t really care what he does to Nazis, but I can’t trust that person to advance justice at all. Does that make sense?

        Also, again: OP should be careful. If someone like that comes up to you and starts asking if you want to go put your money where your mouth is… they could be setting you up.

        • pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz
          3·
          11 months ago

          It’s when someone shows up and says that harm is the priority.

          So basically no one and you’re yelling at clouds

          And so I can’t help but wonder. Did he show up because he opposes Nazis? Or because he was looking for someone to hurt, and discovered that they were a permitted target? If so, I don’t really care what he does to Nazis, but I can’t trust that person to advance justice at all.

          Baseless shit smearing

          Also, again: OP should be careful. If someone like that comes up to you and starts asking if you want to go put your money where your mouth is… they could be setting you up.

          Also not happening, he’s literally all alone on the street.

          Also no one flying a flag like that is going to fall for that kind of a ruse, that flag is niche and a high IQ bar has to be passed to even find it, let alone fly it safely.

          You’re just dredging up shit to try to make him and people like him look bad, and it’s not working.

          • serinus@midwest.social
            1·
            10 months ago

            He has sort of a point buried deep in there; He’s just not making it well.

            Partly that any press is good press. Nazis are (still) a small enough subculture that it’s not worth advertising them as the main counterculture.

            • pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz
              1·
              10 months ago

              I don’t think it’s small the way a lot of people assume. Way WAY too many people agree with a lot of the shit Nazis say and that’s how they gain power. It happened in Germany; most Nazi supporters were just regular Joes who agreed with their hateful shit. A lot of right wingers are like that.

              Most people have already picked a side on the issue anyway. That’s what makes me worry and those two points together make me sympathize with OP.

          • Andy@slrpnk.net
            33·
            11 months ago

            You’re welcome to disregard everything I say, but please listen to season one of the podcast Alphabet Boys. It walks through, step-by-step, how a tough-talking conman named Micky Windecker collapsed the Denver antifacist scene in 2020 by taking cash from the FBI to try to talk protesters into doing or saying incriminating things and then getting them arrested. If you think you’re too smart to fall for it, that might be a sign you’re not.

            https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/alphabet-boys/id1668980612

            • pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz
              31·
              11 months ago

              You’re not understanding what I’m saying. Everyone here already knows shit like that happens – I saw it myself with my own two eyes – I am telling you that because of that, everyone who flies that flag therefore implicitly knows not to fall for such tricks, ergo it’s a baseless accusation you are dredging up to make OP and everyone who approves of OP look bad.

              And we’re not falling for it

              • Andy@slrpnk.net
                13·
                11 months ago

                I really hope you’re right, dude. If this is how defensive you get when someone offers you advice to keep you safe, I doubt you are. But I hope I’m wrong.

          • Sharkwellington@lemmy.one
            12·
            11 months ago

            Also no one flying a flag like that is going to fall for that kind of a ruse, that flag is niche and a high IQ bar has to be passed to even find it, let alone fly it safely.

            AND they watched Rick and Morty this morning!

    • Sharkwellington@lemmy.one
      21·
      11 months ago

      or if they are just excited to have found an outlet that allows them to indulge violent desires without jeopardizing their social standing.

      I get why people are dunking on this but for real, spend two seconds in a “pedophile hunter” community and tell me this isn’t true.

      • pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz
        22·
        11 months ago

        I used to roll with people like that and no, they are not bloodthirsty savages the way he’s trying to stereotype anyone who doesn’t agree with him. They’re actually very patient, methodical people because they have to be. The stereotype is absurd and falls flat on its face with even a second’s worth of thought applied to it.

        And that’s the point – his stereotyping is not a rational argument or a good point, it’s meant to remind people of propaganda on the issue they were exposed to all their lives, to trigger an emotional reaction in others, to shut down our critical thinking to lessen the likelihood we’ll reject his insane demands.

        It’s all just fascist propaganda. That’s all it’s ever been.

        • Andy@slrpnk.net
          22·
          11 months ago

          It’s not facist propaganda: I’m trying to help you stay outta trouble.

          I’m not saying OP or everyone who looks like that is a violent weirdo or a snitch hiding out among leftists. But I am saying that those kinds of people absolutely exist (and that this is what they look like).

          Everyone here should listen to this docuseries about a conman who took cash from the FBI to act like a militant antifacist, just to try and talk people into saying or doing things that would give the FBI an excuse to take them off the street. The guy pretty much single-handled blew a huge whole in the Denver activist scene in 2020: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/alphabet-boys/id1668980612

          • pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz
            35·
            11 months ago

            And this is the second time you tried to do literally the exact same thing, so let me repeat my answer from the last time you purposefully dredged up a non-issue to try to make OP look bad:

            You’re not understanding what I’m saying. Everyone here already knows shit like that happens – I saw it myself with my own two eyes – I am telling you that because of that, everyone who flies that flag therefore implicitly knows not to fall for such tricks, ergo it’s a baseless accusation he’s dredging up to make OP and everyone who approves of OP look bad.

            And we’re not falling for it

            Your problem is that you are not listening when you are told no, and you are not listening because you are just fash here to simp for the right. You are very VERY much on the wrong side of history on this, and in the next few years, if your fascist friends get what they want, I hope you are forced to watch. You won’t like it. At all.

            • Andy@slrpnk.net
              24·
              11 months ago

              I have no beef with Op, dude. And honestly – and I’m speaking to any third parties, because I get that you’re unpersuadeable – if you ever meet someone who cannot reconcile any genuine criticism without declaring that the messenger is a fascist agent AND that the criticism is fully personal… talk to them.

              Either this person needs to learn to hold space for good faith disagreement or they will only follow their own impulses and cut off you if you ever disagree.

              @pde: We can disagree without it being personal and without me being a fascist. Read that again.

              • pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz
                51·
                11 months ago

                Alright, I guess you’re gonna keep playing the dig-in-your-heels game and I am going to once again repeat what I said the last time I caught you peddling lies:

                The thing you’re missing is we can see you’re just lying and digging your heels in, and it’s still not going to work.

                You took the post and automatically assumed OP was some bloodthirsty stereotype, and we know this because your response to his post was, and I quote:

                I’m gonna be the guy to say why I don’t like this. <– As in you are talking about OP

                Anytime I see someone apply dehumanizing language to a group of people – no matter how vile – I immediately wonder if this person <– AKA OP is motivated by a desire to protect anything or if they are just excited to have found an outlet that allows them to indulge violent desires without jeopardizing their social standing. <– Meaning this is how you are purposefully mischaracterizing OP and people like him

                Meaning you’re a whacked-out fash-in-sheep’s-clothing liar and no one is falling for it.

                Repeating your lie with more words will not make us believe it.

                Smearing anyone who supports violence against Nazis as some tired old sterotype won’t work either.

                You’re not going to convince us to stop supporting OP or people like him. We don’t want anything you’re selling, move the fuck on.

                And I am going to keep doing this until you stop. You shall have no quarter here.

                You are motte and baileying yourself right here in your own post by claiming you were only saying there “could be some” feds masquerading as fash when I, for the third fucking time now, just quoted you specifically talking about OP.

                We’ve already addressed the possibility of fash waving flags the way OP is so once again, that’s irrelevant, and my reasoning still stands.

                And once again, you’re lying and digging your heels in thinking you’re going to sway people. And once again, it’s not going to work.

                Take your sniveling bullshit elsewhere.

        • Sharkwellington@lemmy.one
          24·
          11 months ago

          I used to roll with people like that and no, they are not bloodthirsty savages

          Fair enough, I have no doubt there are stable individuals that do it purely on the basis of protecting children, improving the community, maybe even rehabilitating the mentally ill.

          I was talking more like the YouTube channel People vs. Preds, who seem to be more interested in the money and fame. They escalate for the views and then all their evidence gets denied in court for not taking proper legal steps. The comments on their videos are vile. You can’t help but think some of these people are only here because this is the acceptable hate.

          And that’s the point – his stereotyping is not a rational argument or a good point, it’s meant to remind people of propaganda on the issue they were exposed to all their lives, to trigger an emotional reaction in others, to shut down our critical thinking to lessen the likelihood we’ll reject his insane demands.

          …what demands?

          • pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz
            45·
            11 months ago

            spend two seconds in a “pedophile hunter” community and tell me this isn’t true.

            I was talking more like the YouTube channel People vs. Preds,

            No you’re not. You’re backtracking when called out on a lie. Stop fucking lying.

            …what demands?

            Yeah, playing stupid won’t work with me, chump. We both know damn well what you’re doing: using every rhetorical trick in the book to stop the left adopting violence because you and I both know it’s the only chance they have of stopping the fascists from taking over the country completely, and you don’t want that.

            Well, it’s not going to work because no one here is dumb enough to fall for it, and for that I am glad.

            • Sharkwellington@lemmy.one
              24·
              11 months ago

              What

              Lol I’m honestly dumbfounded. How do I even respond to such an accusation. I’m just sitting here wasting time on the internet, go fight the good fight brave comrade or whatever.

    • pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz
      21·
      11 months ago

      if they are just excited to have found an outlet that allows them to indulge violent desires without jeopardizing their social standing.

      The fact that this is how you view people who express viewpoints you don’t agree with tells us everything we need to know about you, and none of it is good.

      • Andy@slrpnk.net
        14·
        11 months ago

        The thing you’re missing is that I don’t disagree with his viewpoint.

        I think a lot of the folks in this comment section are used to arguing on Twitter and Facebook. I will gladly agree that Nazis do not add value to the world, and their lives ending is a net benefit for the rest of us.

        As I told @RegularGoose below, the problem is when you lead with that.

        When I go to any demonstration, I never forget that just because we’re all there and possibly chanting the same words, that doesn’t mean that we’re all there for pure reasons. There ARE people who will identify as your allies who are seeking to indulge in violence, and there ARE people who are there because they are undercover agents of state power, seeking to entrap you. I am NOT criticizing OP’s philosophy. I am offering a warning about what everyone should be aware of when they see this person out on the street.

        • pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz
          31·
          11 months ago

          The thing you’re missing is we can see you’re just lying and digging your heels in, and it’s still not going to work.

          You took the post and automatically assumed OP was some bloodthirsty stereotype, and we know this because your response to his post was, and I quote:

          I’m gonna be the guy to say why I don’t like this. <– As in you are talking about OP

          Anytime I see someone apply dehumanizing language to a group of people – no matter how vile – I immediately wonder if this person <– AKA OP is motivated by a desire to protect anything or if they are just excited to have found an outlet that allows them to indulge violent desires without jeopardizing their social standing. <– Meaning this is how you are purposefully mischaracterizing OP and people like him

          Meaning you’re a whacked-out fash-in-sheep’s-clothing liar and no one is falling for it.

          Repeating your lie with more words will not make us believe it.

          Smearing anyone who supports violence against Nazis as some tired old sterotype won’t work either.

          You’re not going to convince us to stop supporting OP or people like him. We don’t want anything you’re selling, move the fuck on.