For context, these are the results of a survey that I gave to the users of c/Trans.
What are your thoughts?
It’s me. Your token cis woman.
But as someone up thread said, I genuinely believe it’s because cis women don’t self-identify as much on the internet. I’m liable to have some angry incel I dare to contradict realize I’m a woman and harass me all across the fediverse as a result. It’s happened so many times in my life.
meh, the old saying “there are no women on the internet” is still true, just needs to be phrased more specifically to restore it’s original meaning which was “there are no cis women on the internet”.
Unfortunate, that lemmy is so biased.
Cis men outnumber cis women 30 to 1 💀
Yeah “there are no girls on the internet” kinda thing. Joking aside though, keep in mind that n=370 and sampling from c/Trans probably doesn’t give significant results for the fediverse as a whole. Though it is an interesting result.
I think it’s just Lemmy in general. It’s not exclusive to c/trans. We also had a survey on c/ich_iel with similar tendencies.
There’s probably a LOT of selection bias in there.
What? Is willingness to answer polls inherited via the Y chromosome?
Willing to share your gender/sex with the internet is probably socially tied to being male.
Yes but that is a social trait that we would expect to include trans males. It appears that all categories (cis, trans etc.) are disproportionately dominated by AMAB than AFAB people. This makes it seem like the issue is tied to biological sexual traits not influenced by medicine/surgery (such as chromosomes), rather than gender.
I highly doubt this specifically is tied to chromosomes and other biological traits. It’s likely got to do with the fact that many (but not all) transfemmes on here went through AMAB socialization for their childhood and teen years.
My current theory is that “boys” are more heavily pushed to go into CS than “girls” starting at a very young age. Teachers do have implicit biases in how they treat their students based on their gender. Usually it is assumed that “girls” are good at reading and “boys” are good at math. I suspect there’s also heavily a race aspect to it as well.
There’s also the fact that society expects certain traits from men and women. I can say that from my experience having a logical, blunt personality and way of thinking growing up was heavily discouraged and reprimanded. I learned to fake displaying emotions in social situations so that people would quit punishing me for it. After my transition, people don’t view the exact same traits as rude and cold like they used to.
Lemmy has a very high percentage of people who are programmers and people in the CS field. There is also a lot of sexism in the CS field from what I’ve heard and I imagine that keeps cis women and non-passing trans men especially away from it.
Why would anyone be biologically wired to use Lemmy.
Or social traits related to upbringing.
Like the shitty social isolation and inadequacy of proper bonding of amab people, leading them significantly more towards isolating in technology for their socialization.
I don’t have statistics on that, but I’d be willing to bet on it.
What do you mean? were cis men more likely to answer the survey than cis women on this perform?
(I did not answer the survsy, but that’s anecdotal)
In general, id say men are a lot more willing to tell the internet their gender and/or sex than women are.
Why would that apply to an anonymous survey tho. The reason that’s a thing is because cis women in particular face a lot of harassment on the Internet, but if it’s anonymous then they don’t have to worry about that.
On an anonymous survey though?
Cis women’s got things to do, friends to meet, career to focus on… They’re busy and they don’t have time for browsing internet message boards.
That’s a pretty big generalization right there. While it’s true that statistically cis women usually take on things more often like caring for sick relatives, housework, and child raising, there are still plenty of cis women who need to touch grass. Just look at the chronically online TERF groups on places like Twitter and Facebook. Many of them are cis women.
First thought is that trans women who are attracted to men can rest easy knowing cis men are at the very least interested in trans content.
Second thought is that those numbers for everyone on the masculine side of things are lower than expected. Like way lower.
The unsure/questioning category might be hiding some with either a bluish or pinkish hue. Though I fully understand there’s a limit to splitting this one into “questioning fem”, “questioning masc”, “questioning nbin”, “questioning fluid”, etc. This is where you bring in the multi-question form where you first establish if someone is sure, then ask them about their identity (or the one they’re questioning).
Statistically speaking, this is where you start asking yourself if your data is reliable enough to draw any kind of conclusions from. Which it probably isn’t. The only reliable conclusions (that you would likely also see if you did a n=10k study) I could probably draw from these results are these:
- The survey has reached a lot of cis men, which probably means cis men are more interested in trans content in general than one might think.
- Anything feminine outnumbers anything masculine, at least for this platform.
Bonus thought: I love that strawpoll actually takes data visualization seriously and presents both a properly formatted pie chart and a bar graph. For anyone wondering: A properly formatted pie chart starts at 12 o’clock, is sorted highest to lowest and does not use any fancy 3D effects. Any other visualization relies on labeled percentages to inform the viewer. And if those are absent, you just have to judge which slice is bigger. Visualizing the data the way Strawpoll does here makes absolutely sure no one can misinterpret the results.
Second thought is that those numbers for everyone on the masculine side of things are lower than expected. Like way lower.
Anything feminine outnumbers anything masculine, at least for this platform.
Since the cis men count is high, I think there’s a cleaner decomposition: things on the AFAB side are lower than expected.
yeah i think that’s more what we’re seeing here. almost no one that was afab. take that how you will…
Your stuff is constantly on the /all/top 12 hours. And it’s usually funny pictures.
Also 196 is the most active meme community on lemmy. Lemmy is just 50% non-cis, that’s the quirk.
Those are some good points that you made. Hopefully I can make a survey like that maybe a couple of months in the future. It would be interesting to see how the demographics might change in that period of time.
Yeah, definitely would be interesting to see if the results change. If time permits I might contribute some ideas for the survey. Or if I actually remember to do so, whichever fails first.
I’m a cis man and I drive-by voted. I don’t read anything in the community and am disinterested. I just saw the poll and decided to respond for fun. Don’t read too much into the results.
I’d be interested in you re-running survey when lemmy supports polls in server.
But also, thanks for the good looking work!
Link?
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Like I said above, I did a drive-by. I saw the question in my feed and answered. I didn’t pay attention to or care what community it was from, I just answered. I’m an Aspie and I like filling out forms
