I’ve seen this piece pop up as some counter in forums or elsewhere online. Its very bizarre, at least in my opinion.
At one point in the piece it says communist led world will still pollute earth like capitalist excesses already do. Down further says how the evil soviets did holodomor genocide or evil ccp great leap genocide and its a ecological destruction.
I don’t think most communists are unaware of climate catastrophe or urgency of tackling meat or fossil fuel industry. I don’t think those things come about by some divine stroke of shift popular beliefs overnight cause individuals one at a time will influence masses with their choices.
Also the beginning section is odd to me. I don’t know if communists or some nominal left leaning people say the ethical consumption line to write off and justify horrible state of the system.
As far as I understand the statement on no ethical consumption : its an indictment of this untenable system and how deeply entwined it is with all forms oppression in order to keep it going.
I don’t know overall I think this article is unproductive.
I tested the holodomor thesis recently and did my own research with it, let me show you some of the fun things I found.
So the definition was made up in the 80s by a comittee of Ukranians… guess who was the leader of the comittee?
An actual surviving nazi party member…
and guess what burden of proof they used?
‘we have no evidence, just trust us’
if anarchists cant even do this basic research then who fucking cares what they think
Not just the committee but that ucc is broadly a vehicle OUN B banderites. Yaroslav stekso who was prominent Oun B member and huge nazi war criminal. He had been the head Anti Bolshevik bloc of nations (ABN) which had good ties to World anti communist league (WACL).
This ABN through WACL helped Pinochet’s whole anti communist pogroms in chile. Stetsko had connections people in CIA like John singlaub. He got so much cachet in Washington, he had met HW bush at one of the ABN anniversary event.
Stetsko was part of organization of Ukrainian nationalists apart from ABN. This evolved and overall in the 80s took over Ukrainian Congress committee of america which is founding member of World congress of free Ukrainians or now known as UKRAINIAN WORLD CONGRESS.
They have corps in Canada, USA and Australia which manage to have youth leagues. These organizations managed to push for this holodomor narrative and got mileage out of it.
Collectivism, whether it be communist, fascist or capitalist ideologically isn’t something that serves my interests as an indigenous subsistence farmer and forager living in these remote mountains.
lol. Fuck everyone who isn’t able to be a substinence farmer in remote mountains, I guess.
It’s why anarchism is deeply ableist.
I’d die without meds. I cannot be a subsistence farmer without a greater, industrial support network to provide those medications.
I am forced to conclude that this person’s ideal world involves me dying.
People.underestimate how much we rely on society, “the collective”. Even Henry David Thoreau admitted that he needed society to buy tools and things like nails when he went to live alone in the woods.
Even if a person can live alone, without contact for a while, they will eventually grow old or have an accident, catch a disease, get attacked by an animal, and need society’s care.
This persons ideal wolrd involves a lot of people dying. His romantic idea of agriculture can not produce enough food to feed everyone.
Countless Marxist revolutions in history did so much damage to the environment that entire territories…
Ah yes, the millions upon millions of Marxist revolutions that happened in the 20th century.
The article is complete trite.
“There’s no ethical consumption under capitalism” is a tired meme that I wish would die. So often this slogan is used by reds to pooh-pooh those of us that strive to make life choices that aid harm-reduction in our communities and our natural environments.
Why do they say it like it’s something that communists do? This is something that people belonging to any strand of leftism do. Treat enjoyers are not endemic to communism.
ziq is a meme in every anarchist space, even reddit’s. he moderates raddle (yes it’s the same ziq) in the same way that he would criticize Stalin for, and was found to have created sockpuppets early on on raddle and even used them to debate with real users. he’s a walking meme
Haha yeah, back when I was on that shitty site years ago I once posted an article debunking some “Holodomor” myths on their communism forum (the one specifically for MLs) as a mod of that one at the time, and they used their sockpuppets to attack me in the comments over it and then use said sockpuppets to drive a “democratic” vote to remove me as mod (because they still pretended the site was a direct democracy on all admin actions at the time lol)
All the stuff that went down back then really hurt at the time but in hindsight it’s really funny to look back on, especially with Lemmygrad being a thing, which has everything I joined Raddle for but 100x better (except for custom CSS themes, that was pretty cool lol)
This article reminds of zines I used to read back in the day. Just full of strawmen arguments, it’s almost as if this was written against 1 extremely specific ‘collectivist communist’ that the author has a personal beef with.
Imperialist propaganda = instantaneously dismissed.
The point of talking to anarchists is to find openings for movement building in the West, but if their “I trust no authority” implies “still trusting imperialist authority over non-imperialist” there will be no meaningful cooperation whatsoever
Yeah. It is wild to push whatever is pushed by imperialist networks. The whole holodomor campaign was pushed by literal waffen ss galicia high command. One of prominent high status nazis kubijovych who worked with canada to publish re written history of Ukraine. Most of those in the committee to determine holodomor by UCC are literally nazis. One of them from canada, Wasyl kushnir who literally wanted waffen ss veterans to be safely sent back to Canada.
Legit just buying nazi shit which was pushed cynically their participation in the Holocaust is very brazen.
