Somehow this is the only country on earth where this seems to happen. When talking about shootings involving guns, okay, fine, the US is certainly an outlier there, but every country has cars and police.

This is murder.

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    Die she now?

    The video seems to suggest she tried to get away, not commit a homicide. Police could have easily let her go. They have a license place, they have a face, they can go pick her up any time later.

    This was a SUSPECTED shoplifting. The problem here is that in the USA police have no idea about de-escalation. They always seem to make every situation they get in to worse.

    Police needs to arrive into a situation and make it calmer, better. To protect and serve remember? You can’t protect anyone if you just get in waving guns every single time.

    This is about shoplifters. You stop them. They don’t let you? Then don’t start shooting, there are other solutions. I recall a few years ago there was a similar situation where US police officers tried shooting a suspected shop lifter in a parking lot ending up shooting and killing a little girl standing being the suspect.

    Actions like these are madness and show that police officers in the USA are wholly unprepared to do their jobs. This is not surprising if you realize they received a fraction of the education that police officers get in (for example) Europe. There they do teach de-escalation and it works, people don’t get shot for stealing a bread.

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      Oh im sorry did the police not wait out for the right time for an arrest? That is so rude. Yeah better let the future officer do it that is the best solution. How bout she get out of the fucking car? she could have done something even more stupid and harm someone else if they let her go.

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        Even if she was a shoplifter, killing her is not an appropriate response. But we don’t know if she was a shoplifter, do we? We only know a store employee said she was, is that employee infallible?

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          No matter if she was an angel incarnate i fully expect to get shot at when i pull this sort of nonsense in presence of police and i dont even live in a country where anybody can be armed to the brim. I wish more people would think this way too.

          On the other hand, there are plenty of examples where the police show lack of training, which is an issue, but this isnt one of them.

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        Yeah, that kind of mind set is what the typical US police officer seems to have. And it gets people killed over and over for petty offences, if any.

        This woman gets scared, she becomes unpredictable. “Well then, let’s stand in front of the car so that she can’t leave without trying to run me over! That is a great reason for me to murder her!”

        Or you can just let her go. It’s the same reason why in other countries you typically don’t see the high speed chases that you see on the US. You start chasing somebody, they start taking risks that put everyone at risk. You just let them go and catch them later when things have calmed down.

        It’s the same reason behind why do many mentally ill people are murdered by police officers in the US because they don’t know how to deescalate.

        This in turn is all a consequence of the lack of training that US police officers have. They barely train with their gun and that is most of the Training they get.

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          I still blame the lady.

          In a mellow tone: “You are beeing accused of shoplifting”. “ok cya”. Hits the pedal…

          i guess we can settle on having better training is always better.

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            Remind me to shoot you in the knees next time you speed 5kmh…

            This is about appropriate force. If you can’t deescalate a situation then you have no business carrying a badge and a gun.

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                Exactly my point! What is wrong with these police officers that they ended up murdering a pregnant women over some petty shoplifting?

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                    Good point. Resisting arrest should not lead to your Death unless you’re a terrorist or serial killer or any other imminent threat to society.

                    Police officers should NOT be standing in front of a car with a drawn gun to talk to a shoplifting suspect, that is insanity.

                    It is what police officers with no training and a culture of “respect mah athoritay!” do and it gets people needlessly killed.

                    In this case it killed a pregnant woman. You really wanna die on that hill?