Given how the US is treating protesters on university campuses this month, I’d say we’re not far behind.
Remember when the Trump admin was disappearing people from protests in unmarked vans driven by anonymous people wearing no uniforms?
This is what a lot of fascist politicians aspire to be, though they’d never say it out loud. After all, they only want to do this to the “bad” people.
Sorry for making this US-centric, this is a shame for Iran and their society, both of which have great potential if they could get out from under the boot.
One of my favourite things movies and TV shows can do is show an injury that would be minor on an action movie, then proceed to explain that no, it’s actually possible to fully die from it.
Archer is a good example:
“You were knocked out, which btw is suuuper bad for you”
Sorry for making this US-centric, this is a shame for Iran and their society, both of which have great potential if they could get out from under the boot.
As an Iranian, please do make this about the US. We have seen a lot of parallels with what is wrong with iran vs what is wrong in US.
It’s what makes the whole death to America chant so ironic.
From my eyes, there is no iran vs us or all that. This is a human problem when people take power and suppress their citizens using fear tactics. We all should be on team democracy and personal freedoms.
In all honesty: I have missed these numerous videos. Can you source any of them?
Please note that I am plenty well aware of how often police abuse prisoners or use their powers of arrest to coerce people. I just doubt that there are plentiful videos that show police officers arresting, raping, and killing 16 year old girls.
Hyperbole undermines causes. As the other poster right under you alluded to, though, there is sufficient evidence of other police misconduct that is nearly as egregious.
These things that really happened should be the focus of conversation, I think, if we absolutely must shoehorn discussion of the USA into every conversation about how authority figures abuse their position worldwide.
Listen, I respect you enough to believe that you saw some fucked up things. Seeing those kinds of things can really do a number on your head and memory, and it’s easy to conflate memories of trauma. Especially when it’s consumed as it seem like you have, via (social) media. And I do not at all disagree with your assertion that US policing needs fundamental change (approaching complete tear down, ideally).
However I, too, have been around on the internet for quite a while, and frequented bad parts of it. I didn’t see what you describe. I have a professional interest in watching such events, and I have worked very closely with police for quite a long time (albeit in just a few municipalities in a single US state).
Your “trust me” just doesn’t cut it, so my point stands: unless you have specific proof or ability to refer to evidence, don’t be hyperbolic. You simply can’t compare US policing to Iran, it’s apples and oranges of terrible, awful, horrifying shit.
And I have also met and studied with folks who have fled from Iran. I have had conversations with them and heard first hand stories. Please, use caution when you compare such dramatically different settings and circumstances of brutality. It really serves to undercut the complexity and uniqueness of these circumstances. Since different forms of resistance are necessary to combat them, it does nobody any good to try and compare them.
Finally, please don’t seek out things you don’t want to seek out for the sake of “winning” an internet argument with somebody who genuinely agrees with the spirit of your statements. It’s not worth it, I think.
… Is it? Are protesters of modesty laws regularly arrested raped and killed without consequences in America?
Would you prefer to live in Iran right now?
Look, America is pretty shitty, but if your statement is America = Iran then you clearly know fuck all about Iran. Don’t minimize this woman’s death and the conditions that spurred her to protest.
“Police killed over 1.3k people in 2023 in America”
“police officers in the US were charged with forcible rape 405 times between 2005 and 2013. That’s an average of 45 a year. Forcible fondling was more common, with 636 instances.”
Cops in America are going around murdering and raping without consequences.
Given how the US is treating protesters on university campuses this month, I’d say we’re not far behind.
Remember when the Trump admin was disappearing people from protests in unmarked vans driven by anonymous people wearing no uniforms?
This is what a lot of fascist politicians aspire to be, though they’d never say it out loud. After all, they only want to do this to the “bad” people.
Sorry for making this US-centric, this is a shame for Iran and their society, both of which have great potential if they could get out from under the boot.
“Can’t you just shoot them? Just shoot them in the legs or something?"
-Donald Trump, regarding those protesting the death of George Floyd
https://www.axios.com/2022/05/02/mark-esper-book-trump-protesters
Don’t forget that he had to be told that being shot in the legs is a deadly injury because of the major arteries.
The previous president of the united states thinks action movies are real.
Side note.
One of my favourite things movies and TV shows can do is show an injury that would be minor on an action movie, then proceed to explain that no, it’s actually possible to fully die from it.
Archer is a good example:
“You were knocked out, which btw is suuuper bad for you”
I expect nothing less from a man who recommended we nuke hurricanes.
As an Iranian, please do make this about the US. We have seen a lot of parallels with what is wrong with iran vs what is wrong in US.
It’s what makes the whole death to America chant so ironic.
From my eyes, there is no iran vs us or all that. This is a human problem when people take power and suppress their citizens using fear tactics. We all should be on team democracy and personal freedoms.
Ok sure but you have to understand that things happening in America are much worse because they actually matter
Boop beep I got delete. .
It was sarcasm, geez. The other commenter was right to criticize you for trying to make something that happened elsewhere into America Bad.
until a 16 year old girl is found dead on the side of the street after being arrested… STFU
Would you also take a 16 year old killed during the arrest? How about in custody? Would you also accept sexual assault or rape while in custody?
I feel like where the body ended up is not the major issue here.
Boop beep I got delete.
In all honesty: I have missed these numerous videos. Can you source any of them?
Please note that I am plenty well aware of how often police abuse prisoners or use their powers of arrest to coerce people. I just doubt that there are plentiful videos that show police officers arresting, raping, and killing 16 year old girls.
Hyperbole undermines causes. As the other poster right under you alluded to, though, there is sufficient evidence of other police misconduct that is nearly as egregious.
These things that really happened should be the focus of conversation, I think, if we absolutely must shoehorn discussion of the USA into every conversation about how authority figures abuse their position worldwide.
Edit: “one” to “old”
Boop beep I got delete.
Listen, I respect you enough to believe that you saw some fucked up things. Seeing those kinds of things can really do a number on your head and memory, and it’s easy to conflate memories of trauma. Especially when it’s consumed as it seem like you have, via (social) media. And I do not at all disagree with your assertion that US policing needs fundamental change (approaching complete tear down, ideally).
However I, too, have been around on the internet for quite a while, and frequented bad parts of it. I didn’t see what you describe. I have a professional interest in watching such events, and I have worked very closely with police for quite a long time (albeit in just a few municipalities in a single US state).
Your “trust me” just doesn’t cut it, so my point stands: unless you have specific proof or ability to refer to evidence, don’t be hyperbolic. You simply can’t compare US policing to Iran, it’s apples and oranges of terrible, awful, horrifying shit.
And I have also met and studied with folks who have fled from Iran. I have had conversations with them and heard first hand stories. Please, use caution when you compare such dramatically different settings and circumstances of brutality. It really serves to undercut the complexity and uniqueness of these circumstances. Since different forms of resistance are necessary to combat them, it does nobody any good to try and compare them.
Finally, please don’t seek out things you don’t want to seek out for the sake of “winning” an internet argument with somebody who genuinely agrees with the spirit of your statements. It’s not worth it, I think.
Boop beep I got delete.
You don’t wait for hell before you start fighting.
Given the state of US policing, that’s probably a weekly occurrence.
… Is it? Are protesters of modesty laws regularly arrested raped and killed without consequences in America?
Would you prefer to live in Iran right now?
Look, America is pretty shitty, but if your statement is America = Iran then you clearly know fuck all about Iran. Don’t minimize this woman’s death and the conditions that spurred her to protest.
“Police killed over 1.3k people in 2023 in America”
“police officers in the US were charged with forcible rape 405 times between 2005 and 2013. That’s an average of 45 a year. Forcible fondling was more common, with 636 instances.”
Cops in America are going around murdering and raping without consequences.