• Sizzler@slrpnk.net
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    6 months ago

    So honestly, in your opinion, one of the only ways a vegan can change people’s minds is to take them shopping and PAY for their food for them. Amazing, this is a new level of shitty push the blame away behaviour. Pathetic.

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      You’re saying that trying to motivate people positively to move on from meat is “push the blame away” behavior. But I think tut-tutting individuals who eat meat is pushing the blame away.

      While there are some people who believe that eating meat is an absolute moral wrong no matter where or when it takes place in human history, a lot of people who feel eating meat is immoral feel this way because of what the meat industry does, both to the animals and to the planet. Five thousand years ago, people weren’t supporting the meat industry and all its wrongs by eating meat.

      So considering it to be pathetic to try to effect real reduction in people’s meat consumption because the methods shift blame away from the individual meat eater seems really ironic to me, as well as completely counterproductive, if your goal is less meat consumption in the world.

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        There is no positive motivation to move people away from meat. Health maybe? Shame and forcing self-reflection is one of the few effective tools.

        Your last paragraph is just rubbish. That’s not what I was calling pathetic.

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          There is no positive motivation to move people away from meet. Health maybe?

          Did…did you just admit that you people don’t actually believe your own propaganda about why going vegan is better?

          Also, pretty objectively shame doesn’t actually do anything, lecturing at people about why they’re wrong doesn’t convince them of anything, at best they just write you off as that ass who’s lecturing at them, more often they take it as a fight signal and shut down to you completely.

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            6 months ago

            Key word there is motivation. I know its 10 letters long so I can explain it if I have to.

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              Yeah like how you’re pretty clearly motivated to suck at actually spreading the message because then you get to keep your feelings of moral superiority all to yourself.

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                6 months ago

                Look, you’re here to fight not be informed. It’s really obvious and I don’t care what you think or say.