They’re essentially going to manage the economy the same way, yes
They’ll be quite different on social issues, civil rights and foreign policy, mostly because they won’t be burdened by the political necessity of defending fifteen years of mess.
Risky Sunak can’t afford to go back too hard on those errors without angering his own party, and no party leader in living memory has been more scared of their own MPs and party membership.
It’s a shame that Labour can’t articulate what the differences in things like civil rights and foreign policy actually are.
Can you actually tell me a single major policy where Labour fundamentally disagrees with the Tories? (Not vague “We will just do things better” promises. Though I’ve no doubt Starmer and co will run a Tory economic policy better than the Tories.
No, labour have been stung too many times by specific policies announced too far in advance of the election being distorted and weaponised against them, they’re being very coy. Starmer seems to be very much focused on not messing up anything before the next election.
I don’t infer from that a belief that when their policies emerge they will be the same as Tory policies, since there’s no evidence of that. Little evidence of anything at this stage.
Can you actually tell me a single major policy where Labour fundamentally disagrees with the Tories?
Great British Energy. A fully state-owned energy supplier that will invest in renewable energy. Like, really, just try to imagine those words coming out of a Tory’s mouth and said Tory not immediately imploding.
Reform of the Gender Recognition Act. It’s not a huge reform, but it’s an improvement on the existing process and is clearly a fundamental disagreement with the Tories, given that Rishi Sunak is still considering banning minors from socially transitioning (despite being told it would be illegal for the government to do this.)
Workers rights. While the latest version of their policy isn’t as good as the original, I believe most of the proposals are still in place, including: full employment rights from day 1 (currently from 2 years); sector-wide collective bargaining and minimum wages; unions have the right to recruit in all workplaces. The main policy they’ve rowed back on is creating a single class of worker, leaving only the genuinely self-employed as self-employed (ie, actual owners of small businesses).
These are just the first three that come to mind. There’s a handful of other things, like renters’ rights and housebuilding/planning reform where both Labour and the Tories say they’re going to do something about it, but Labour seem more likely to actually do it. Labour were also talking about reforming the House of Lords at one point, and while they’ve been quiet about it lately, what they haven’t done is officially announce they’re not doing it. The Labour Party also supports electoral reform, they just haven’t succeeded in getting the leadership to commit to it (this could genuinely be a strategy on Starmer’s part to avoid having it weaponised against him.)
Another clear fundamental difference between Labour and the Tories is Labour haven’t given any indication that they want to leave the European Court of Human Rights. So, you know, there’s that.
I’m not going to say that Labour and Keir Starmer haven’t been massively disappointing lately, because they really, really have. The shift to the right has pissed me off and a part of me wants to vote for the Lib Dems or Greens just out of spite (whether I do this definitely depends on just how safe my currently Conservative seat looks at general election time. A 15k majority is certainly not as safe as it was 4 years ago.) But Labour do still have a handful of really good policies that are clearly superior to anything the Tories have to offer.
They definitely have not been very good at publicising these policies (the document about their workers rights policy has been on their website for like 2 years now, and it’s gotten next to no media attention), and it’s hard to say whether it’s the result of Labour deliberately making themselves a small target, or the right wing media just refusing to talk about any of the things Labour wants to do that the majority of people would actually like.
None of the parties have released their manifestos yet, and I’m not sure we’ll see them until a general election is announced. I don’t think we can conclusively say what Labour’s policies will look like compared to the Tories until the manifestos are out there.
I think all three of them are not “great reforms”:
Great British Energy is a mechanism to attract PRIVATE investment . The actual sums being proposed are to subsidise private enterprise. It’s not a state-owned energy company. Labour spin it like that to appeal to people who want to see
utilities brought back into public ownership. The devil is in the detail.
Labour MIGHT bring in gender reform but Starmer’s drift towards anti-trans positions doesn’t look promising.
Labour have been very clear that they WON’T repeal the existing anti-trade union legislation. This has irked the TUC and Labour are not supporting the TUC taking legal action on an international level.
We need radical policies that address thr extreme poverty and collapse of our social services in the UK. Things must be made better for the poorest (eg. increasing social security, rent caps, free school meals for all, greatly increase the minimum wage) and start taxing the excessively wealthy and corporations.
Labour won’t do this because they are now utterly a tool of the Establishment to maintain the power and wealth of the excessively rich.
They’re essentially going to manage the economy the same way, yes
They’ll be quite different on social issues, civil rights and foreign policy, mostly because they won’t be burdened by the political necessity of defending fifteen years of mess.
Risky Sunak can’t afford to go back too hard on those errors without angering his own party, and no party leader in living memory has been more scared of their own MPs and party membership.
It’s a shame that Labour can’t articulate what the differences in things like civil rights and foreign policy actually are.
Can you actually tell me a single major policy where Labour fundamentally disagrees with the Tories? (Not vague “We will just do things better” promises. Though I’ve no doubt Starmer and co will run a Tory economic policy better than the Tories.
No, labour have been stung too many times by specific policies announced too far in advance of the election being distorted and weaponised against them, they’re being very coy. Starmer seems to be very much focused on not messing up anything before the next election.
I don’t infer from that a belief that when their policies emerge they will be the same as Tory policies, since there’s no evidence of that. Little evidence of anything at this stage.
Edit. Which swtor server do you play on?
Great British Energy. A fully state-owned energy supplier that will invest in renewable energy. Like, really, just try to imagine those words coming out of a Tory’s mouth and said Tory not immediately imploding.
Reform of the Gender Recognition Act. It’s not a huge reform, but it’s an improvement on the existing process and is clearly a fundamental disagreement with the Tories, given that Rishi Sunak is still considering banning minors from socially transitioning (despite being told it would be illegal for the government to do this.)
Workers rights. While the latest version of their policy isn’t as good as the original, I believe most of the proposals are still in place, including: full employment rights from day 1 (currently from 2 years); sector-wide collective bargaining and minimum wages; unions have the right to recruit in all workplaces. The main policy they’ve rowed back on is creating a single class of worker, leaving only the genuinely self-employed as self-employed (ie, actual owners of small businesses).
These are just the first three that come to mind. There’s a handful of other things, like renters’ rights and housebuilding/planning reform where both Labour and the Tories say they’re going to do something about it, but Labour seem more likely to actually do it. Labour were also talking about reforming the House of Lords at one point, and while they’ve been quiet about it lately, what they haven’t done is officially announce they’re not doing it. The Labour Party also supports electoral reform, they just haven’t succeeded in getting the leadership to commit to it (this could genuinely be a strategy on Starmer’s part to avoid having it weaponised against him.)
Another clear fundamental difference between Labour and the Tories is Labour haven’t given any indication that they want to leave the European Court of Human Rights. So, you know, there’s that.
I’m not going to say that Labour and Keir Starmer haven’t been massively disappointing lately, because they really, really have. The shift to the right has pissed me off and a part of me wants to vote for the Lib Dems or Greens just out of spite (whether I do this definitely depends on just how safe my currently Conservative seat looks at general election time. A 15k majority is certainly not as safe as it was 4 years ago.) But Labour do still have a handful of really good policies that are clearly superior to anything the Tories have to offer.
They definitely have not been very good at publicising these policies (the document about their workers rights policy has been on their website for like 2 years now, and it’s gotten next to no media attention), and it’s hard to say whether it’s the result of Labour deliberately making themselves a small target, or the right wing media just refusing to talk about any of the things Labour wants to do that the majority of people would actually like.
None of the parties have released their manifestos yet, and I’m not sure we’ll see them until a general election is announced. I don’t think we can conclusively say what Labour’s policies will look like compared to the Tories until the manifestos are out there.
I think all three of them are not “great reforms”:
We need radical policies that address thr extreme poverty and collapse of our social services in the UK. Things must be made better for the poorest (eg. increasing social security, rent caps, free school meals for all, greatly increase the minimum wage) and start taxing the excessively wealthy and corporations.
Labour won’t do this because they are now utterly a tool of the Establishment to maintain the power and wealth of the excessively rich.