• Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world
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      Indeed. They have received F16s. They are useless if Ukraine cannot take out aerial defences on Russian soil. Why is this even a discussion?

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        Because that will be a massive escalation that will certainly draw significant retaliation from Russia that could spill over into a full fledged conflict with NATO.

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          6 months ago

          yeye sure, and then russia will use their nuclears as they’ve threated every wednesday in the past 2 years.

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    “I know they started a war against you but if you fight back they’ll get really mad.” Why would Ukraine care?

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      Because they care about the west supporting them. That’s it, that’s literally the entire reason. That and they don’t have the capability without western support. (To some extent yes, but not really in the ‘precision-guided-munitions’ department)

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    “Concerned” is pretty much the most mild-mannered diplo speak there is. Personally, I am not concerned about statements of concern.

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      I remember when America would swing their dick around and go out of their way to give Russia the middle finger.
      Now they want to do this mean girls high school bullshit and pretend to be civil first?
      Fuck that.
      The United States needs to grow some fucking balls and tell Putin to his face that his radar is disappearing because they wanted to fuck around in Ukraine.

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        The US would also like to not get nuked by Putin, which is why they haven’t directly entered the war.

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          This is such a weird restriction. Vietnam was a proxy war between the US and the Soviets, and both had boots on the ground. Nobody was particularly concerned this would cause WW3. Why is Ukraine different? Of course, I am not advocating a fully armed confrontation, but Western elite troops that can mark targets, take out key operatives, and direct troops? I don’t see the issue.

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            US weapons weren’t landing on strategic Russian assets inside territory that Russia claimed as it’s own. That’s why no one was overly concerned about nuclear escalation or WW III.

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          If the state of Russia’s nuclear arsenal is anything like the rest of their military the US really doesn’t have much to worry about.

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            So if MOST of their nuclear weapons don’t work, how many nukes hitting the US would you say is okay? Because while it’s pretty safe to assume some, maybe even many of their nukes don’t function properly, it’s a bit much to assume none of them work, and it’s a bit much to gamble a few million lives on the idea that none of the ones that do work will actually get through.

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              Or that the world would be hurt even if all of them fail before reaching their targets, or even failing in the silos (best case).

              We have enough cancerous shit in our environment as it is.

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    Just the way this is going to go I guess. Ukraine has to fight with one hand tied behind their back, because the US says so, because appeasement like that always works when autocrats invade sovereign nations… Imagine in the late 1930s the UK ordering, lets say Poland, to not set foot on German soil and only fight in Poland because otherwise (gasp) we might make Hitler really mad and he might do something crazy. So too bad for you Poland, but we’ll just have to adandon support for you if you attack inside Germany, just how these things go…