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          Bill Clinton encouraged Donald Trump to run for President during a phone call before he decided to run for president

          https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/politics/clinton-encouraged-trump-to-run-for-president_washington-dc/100233/

          How the Hillary Clinton campaign deliberately “elevated” Donald Trump with its “pied piper” strategy

          https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

          They Always Wanted Trump. Inside Team Clinton’s year-long struggle to find a strategy against the opponent they were most eager to face.

          https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428/

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            Edit: Due to the vague implications of the above comments, I was under the impression that the claim was Clintons’ intention to get Trump elected. Many, many comments later, it was explained that the more rational claim of encouraging Trump to run was because they thought he’d be an easy opponent to beat. Maybe people should say what they mean, rather leaving vague, incomplete, bait comments for others to determine their own interpretations of insinuation.

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                I’m aware they were friends. Bill and Trump hung out in the same circles, including Epstein’s island. I still don’t believe your conspiracy theory.

                The Clintons are capitalist conservatives posing as Democrats.

                Trump is an authoritarian dictator Russian puppet.

                They want to fuck this nation in entirely different positions.

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                  Return2ozma: provides tons of mainstream sources demonstrating actual things that objectively happened according to people who have no reason to make it up

                  This guy over here: “I still don’t believe your conspiracy theory” 🤦

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                  There is evidence that Trump has been to the island on multiple occasions via testimony by Epstein’s brother.

                  There is evidence that Clinton rode on Epstein’s Plane to various AIDs relief sites in Africa.

                  There is NO evidence that Clinton has ever been to the island.

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            It’s easier to point fingers at her, but it’s not her job to keep the primary impartial. As I said above, it’s a candidate’s job to self advocate. It’s the DNC’s job to keep the primary fair and impartial.

            Hillary was a disappointment. Debbie was a failure.

            I’m guessing you’re blaming her while having abstained from voting in 2016?

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              Hillary was a disappointment. Debbie was a failure.

              Debbie was a resounding success. She did the only thing she was there to do.

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          it would’ve been a completely alternative universe if we had Bernie from 2016 until 2024. He’s too good for rotten america

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            Again, it’s well documented that Debbie was helping Hillary. It’s not Hillary’s job to be impartial, it’s Debbie’s. There’s a reason insurance companies won’t pay the claim if you’re robbed after leaving your doors unlocked. Candidates are expected to ask for preferential treatment. It’s the convention’s job to deny it. This was Debbie’s responsibility, and she failed to execute.

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              This was Debbie’s responsibility, and she failed to execute.

              Her responsibility was to throw the primary for Clinton. She did so.

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    No one asked to hear from the person that lost a presidential election to Donald Fucking Trump.

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    Read the room Hill-dawg: no one likes you or is buying this horribly designed shit. You are the reason the United States is at 50/50 odds of going full fascism because you bet on yourself. Bad bet. Go away now

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      It’s amazing how long she’s been Bernie-ing in politics, and how much hate Fox news has created around her for it.

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        Yes. Her campaign elevated him to the nomination and ran one of the worst presidential campaigns in history, alienating tens of millions and leading to one of the lowest voter participations in presidential election history.

        If they hadn’t done both, there’s no way that he’d ever had come within cheating distance of the white house.

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    Would Hillary have been a better president than Trump?
    Yes, absolutely, without question. 100,000% better.
    Is Hillary more likable than Trump?
    That’s up for debate.

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      “Rich old white woman so self-absorbed that she’s less likable than an incoherent, ugly, selfish, geriatric, Nazi. More at 11.”

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        Trump is charismatic and funny, thats why he was on tv. If only people didnt take him seriously or give him actual power. Let me remind you that /r/the_donald was a joke subreddit.

        Hillary has no charisma. Also her campaign literally promoted Trump, because she thought he would have been an easier opponent. She is smart and capable(or was, she is kinda getting older nowadays) but her political positions are abhorrent. She could have been the perfect “reasonable republican” candidate.

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      Would Hillary have been a better president than Trump?

      Better for the US. For the rest of the world she would have been a plague.

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          Still would have been better then Trump.

          Again… better for the US. For the rest of the world she would have been a plague. You do understand there’s a world outside the US, right?

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            Yes because Trump was just great for everyone else.

            Just because I recognize what you’re saying as being completely moronic doesn’t mean I didn’t understand. You’re just flatly incorrect.

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              Again… she would have been better for the US. For the rest of the world she would have been a plague.

              There is no need for you to demonstrate any further that you are perfectly content with US-enabled murder-sprees in the 3rd world as long as it doesn’t affect your bubble of privilege in the imperial core, liberal - you’ve managed that perfectly well.

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          It’s amazing to me that so few USians seem to understand the role the US plays in the world - but I’ll be happy to enlighten you.

          Hillary would have handled the COVID-19 pandemic in the US far, far better than Trump have. Do you think that would have been good for you, perhaps?

          Unfortunately for the rest of the world, Hillary, being a Kissinger-trained and approved arch imperialist and warmonger, would have revelled in the bodycount she could rack up in the 3rd world - something which Trump was absolutely far, far too incompetent to do in the manner expected of the war criminals you vote into the Waffle House.

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    She has never been right, SHE alone is the reason we have to contend with Trump.

    “Everything she touches she screws up with hubris”

      Colin Powell
    
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    She is the reason Trump won and Bernie simultaneously got axed.

    The voter turnout was poor and I’m convinced it’s gonna be even more atrocious this year.

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      The only reason Bernie was axed was because the DNC axed him. Bernie is too progressive for democrats.

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        ROFL you must be a Russian troll. She literally came across as one of the evil characters from a Disney movie…

        Bernie didn’t do shit except campaign for and support her after she threw him under a bus to buy the nomination.

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        Fuck right off with your goddamn ‘Bernie bro’ bullshit. Getting pretty real sick of you fucking retards being completely incapable of taking responsibility for your shitty, pathetic candidate that NOBODY wanted.

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        Clinton fucked up three ways that cost her the election:

        1. She told coal workers in Ohio and West Virginia that she wanted to put them out of work. Which caught the ear of Pennsylvania which is, you know, in between Ohio and West Virginia.

        Her attempt to walk it back was insincere and cost her PA.

        1. She completely and utterly failed to campaign in Michigan and Wisconsin, assuming she’d win them by default

        Those three states cost her the election.

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    Crawls back out from under her stuffy old bridge to make a buck and stroke her own ego.

    And yet she still can’t fathom that she lost in 2016 to a reality TV host because of her unlikability. Nope, couldn’t be that. Must be sexism, the Russians, Bernie bros, hell throw bigfoot in there somewhere.

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      The Bernie bros thing is funny because more Bernie voters voted for Hillary than moderates voted for Hillary. And it was moderates the reason Hillary lost.

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        Yeah, the “Bernie Bro” bullshit is just childish whining by pathetically irresponsible losers.